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Re: Amtrak storm cancelations
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2022, 02:11:15 PM »
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On the E7, that's exactly the problem.  Too much load on too few motors, and they overheated.

The F40's problem wasn't tractive effort, or horsepower, as they ran, and pulled, just fine.  They simply didn't look good to me!  The concept wasn't bad, as I liked the SDP40Fs, but the sloping nose made it look like someone tried to streamline a box!  If you have a square loco, keep it square!

Also, they were HEP-only, and were rushed onto what was then still a steam-only train, so every train needed a steam generator car.  The converted E-units that Amtrak sent out looked like a bad kitbash, with their plated-over windows.  They would have done better to keep the ex-BN/GN F B-unit cars, appearance-wise.

Which might be an idea for Amtrak.  The long-haul trains still have baggage cars, so put an HEP generator in the baggage car.  Then, in an emergency, they could use any available freight loco to pull the train, and the passengers wouldn't notice.  The NP put water tanks in baggage cars, to supply steam generators in the diesels, so the weight shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Amtrak storm cancelations
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2022, 02:57:06 PM »
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The E7 had an A1A truck and that is why it struggled. F40 is like two F7s stuffed in one loco.

F40PH has two 2-axle trucks with motor on each axle.  I thought A1A trucks were 3 axle with 2 traction motors (one on each outer axle).  That would mean that E7 (not F7) also had total of 4 traction motors.

From Wikipedia:
"A1A-A1A" means there are two trucks under the locomotive. Each truck has two powered axles, with an idler axle between them. This spreads the weight of the locomotive more evenly over the track and counteracts the tendency of trucks to oscillate at high speeds, which is a problem with two axle trucks. The idler wheels may be smaller than the powered wheels.

Examples of locomotives with this wheel arrangement include the EMD E-units and ALCO PAs, which were high speed passenger locomotives,
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Re: Amtrak storm cancelations
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2022, 08:11:07 PM »
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F40PH has two 2-axle trucks with motor on each axle.  I thought A1A trucks were 3 axle with 2 traction motors (one on each outer axle).  That would mean that E7 (not F7) also had total of 4 traction motors.

From Wikipedia:
"A1A-A1A" means there are two trucks under the locomotive. Each truck has two powered axles, with an idler axle between them. This spreads the weight of the locomotive more evenly over the track and counteracts the tendency of trucks to oscillate at high speeds, which is a problem with two axle trucks. The idler wheels may be smaller than the powered wheels.

Examples of locomotives with this wheel arrangement include the EMD E-units and ALCO PAs, which were high speed passenger locomotives,


Yes, the same number of total traction motors, but the E unit’s weight load was spread over more axles reducing the tractive effort. GP40 has 3,000 HP which is double the 1,500 of the F7.  An E7 AA lash up would give you 8 axles pulling out of 12, where as an ABA set of F units would give you 12 axles pulling.  Steeper and/or prolonged grades gave the E units problems.
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