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mike_lawyer

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Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« on: December 09, 2022, 10:11:55 PM »
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Hi guys -

I am working on designing a layout for a friend, and I am trying to stay away from Atlas C55 turnouts.  I do like Atlas C55 flex track though.  For this layout, we will not need anything bigger than a #6.  Would there be any issues using Atlas C55 flex with ME #6 switches?  Would the tie spacing difference stick out?  Or would it be better to go with ME flex if I were to go with ME turnouts?


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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2022, 10:16:42 PM »
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Would the tie spacing difference stick out?  Or would it be better to go with ME flex if I were to go with ME turnouts?

They should work fine together.  Which flextrack do you prefer to work with?

WRT appearance, it's entirely subjective.  You could build a sample of each and see which you like better.

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2022, 10:30:11 PM »
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They should work fine together.  Which flextrack do you prefer to work with?

WRT appearance, it's entirely subjective.  You could build a sample of each and see which you like better.

Ed

I find Atlas C55 flex really easy to work with and  form nice curves.  I don't have any experience with ME flex.  I have had some bad experiences with Atlas C55 turnouts, so I am thinking of trying ME turnouts on this new layout.

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2022, 01:55:41 AM »
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The biggest difference will probably be tie length, if anything, and that can be explained by maintenance.  If anyone questions it, tell them that the track gang had to replace the turnout, so it's newer than the track, and used a different tie supplier!
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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2022, 03:46:26 AM »
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I just posted these photos and text showing the difference between the three Code 55 N-scale track products that are presently available.

But, I'll post 'em again here so they're easily accessible for readers who are interested in this topic.

First, tie size and tie spacing for both Atlas55 and ME Code55 flex are slightly different...just slightly...hardly noticeable, and since tie sizes on prototype turnouts were/are also mostly different than just the track they were/are attached to, nobody is going to see any discrepancy, or "oddness" between Atlas55 flex and ME #6 Code55 turnouts.

The main difference between Atlas55 and ME Code55 flex is what attaches the rails to the ties.  ME Code55 has tie plates and relatively small spikeheads, and Atlas55 has tie plates and big blobs that interfere with pizza cutter flanges.

You may be tempted to say that nobody is going to notice the difference between ME Code55's spikeheads and Atlas55's big blobs, but, I can assure you that people notice.  Also, any pizza cutter flanged car or engine will notice too and may not be able to run on Atlas55 N-scale track products.

From a functionality/installation standpoint, Atlas55 flex is "floppy"...floppy flex, just like their Code 80 flex.  The track wants to assume its own curves, and is difficult to get to adhere to a centerline if you want varying radii or spiral easements.  Also, the loose rail weakens the structure of the flex and will pop loose much easier than a flex that grips both rails securely.

Micro Engineering Code55 flex is a different experience from Atlas55 to install, since it is stiff.  This means that smooth curves are more difficult to achieve, as well as straights...but not THAT difficult once you get the hang of it.  Also ME flex's stiffness will cause the ties to space out and bunch up, but are easy enough to slide into their correct places.  However, ME flex will definitely hold to a drawn center line, or to the line between two pieces of cork roadbed.  Using the old M1A Eyeball method makes smoothing the curves pretty easy, and a thin steel straightedge will make your straights straight without much effort.

Photo (1) - Comparison between Atlas55 flex on the left and Micro Engineering Code55 on the right:


Photo (2) - Comparison between Atlas55 #7 turnout on the bottom and an old Micro Engineering Code55 #6 turnout on the top:


The ME Code55 #6 turnout is extremely close to prototype spec's as far as tie size and spacing is concerned.  It deviates somewhat in the length of the frog and the length of the closure point rails, as well as spacing for wide N-scale flanges everywhere.

As you can see from the photo, the Atlas55 #7 is virtually the same length as the ME #6, but should be much longer than a #6.  Atlas55 does this shortening on all of their turnouts so that they fit when using their Code55 sectional track.

If you can design your friend's layout using nothing but ME Code 55 #6's, that would be good since they are the most prototypical looking, and have those cast nickel silver frog & guardrails, and nickel silver closure point rails.   Also the over-center spring mechanism at the throwbar negates the "need" for a switch motor of some kind.

Since you're gonna use the ME turnouts, why not use ME flex?  If you decide to do that, make sure you get the unweathered version which is much easier to solder and bend. Also get ME's Code55 rail joiners.

Although the ME flex may be more difficult to install, the end result will be well worth it, plus knowing you've put down the best-looking N-scale trackage available commercially, especially after you've painted, weathered and ballasted it.

If you'd like to know how to make rail joints invisible I'll be happy to show you how I do that.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore



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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2022, 06:27:50 AM »
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Since we're on the subject of mixing ME and Atlas code 55 track, of which I will also be doing, can the rail joiners from either mfg be used? I have some ME but probably not enough to build the entire lYout with. I plan on mixing the Atlas #10's with ME flex on the main. Then using ME #6's  for sidings and industy trackage. Hoping to start after the1st of the year I've procrastinated long enough on the new layout.

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2022, 07:20:19 AM »
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 From several modellers down under we  found the ME  code 55 joiners to be a real pain in the butt..very hard to install on the rail. ME says they are ok but tight. We have used the Atlas code 55 metal joiners ever since
and sometimes these can be very tight as well.
We have used only ME rail and flex on our layouts as we did the pizza cutter test and found that the older flangers ran on the ME track and bumped along Atlas flex.
Don't forget Atlas flex is 30" long compared to ME being 36". While Atlas flex is quite flexible we have had no issues in curving ME flex. There is a technique in bending it and it holds onto the curve quite accurately
as you glue it down.

Just our thoughts

Jim

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2022, 07:35:56 AM »
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In terms of tie thickness, is there any shimming needed when joining Atlas flex to ME turnouts?

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2022, 08:35:21 AM »
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Jim's got it.

I use both ME and Atlas joiners on ME flex. The ME joiners are sometimes too tight and I have to wrestle with them a bit, but OTOH I prefer them on curves to keep the kinking gods at bay.

Now that said, I don't use ME joiners with Atlas turnouts. The base of the rail profile on their turnouts seems to be thicker and makes the tight fit next to impossible. I don't recall ever getting an ME joiner to work that way without distorting the joiner.
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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2022, 09:51:20 AM »
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A couple of swipes of a file on the base of the ME rail will usually cure the tightness --

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2022, 09:58:32 AM »
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As many have reported here, the ME flex molds are worn and there is flash on the ties.

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2022, 10:30:45 AM »
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Haven't tried myself, but I have heard that you can reduce the factory stiffness of ME flex (any kind) by immersing it in hot water for a little while.  The warmed rail expands just a tiny bit and then contracts when it cools, so it loosens ever so slightly from its plastic tie base, but not enough to become floppy.


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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2022, 11:02:58 AM »
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This isn’t an Atlas vs ME track item so much as a rail joiner item but since they have been mentioned here I’ll add my .02.

I have been using ME flex and handlaid turnouts made with ME C55 rail. For rail joiners I have been using Atlas Z scale rail joiners. They are very fine and short compared to Atlas’ and ME N scale C55 offerings and they fit perfectly as the Atlas Z scale track is supposedly C55. I’ve never seen it in person but I can vouch for the Z scale joiners fitting ME C55 perfectly. And they look awesome.

Craig.

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2022, 11:08:09 AM »
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This isn’t an Atlas vs ME track item so much as a rail joiner item but since they have been mentioned here I’ll add my .02.

I have been using ME flex and handlaid turnouts made with ME C55 rail. For rail joiners I have been using Atlas Z scale rail joiners. They are very fine and short compared to Atlas’ and ME N scale C55 offerings and they fit perfectly as the Atlas Z scale track is supposedly C55. I’ve never seen it in person but I can vouch for the Z scale joiners fitting ME C55 perfectly. And they look awesome.

Craig.

Craig, do the Z scale joiners also fit the Atlas C55 track?

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Re: Atlas Code 55 flex and ME turnouts
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2022, 11:55:03 AM »
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Craig, do the Z scale joiners also fit the Atlas C55 track?

I haven’t tried. But I have a piece of Atlas 55. I’ll get back to you in a few days and let you know.