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Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« on: August 08, 2022, 05:06:18 PM »
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Before I head over to the local game store to see what's available, I was curious if the gang here had good track color paint recommendations.

Preferably something brush-able AND sprayable.

Here's what I'm trying to achieve.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2022, 05:10:37 PM »
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Rail brown?   I mixed tie brown with a little bit of rust, but modern rails seem less rusty.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2022, 06:06:50 PM »
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I've been really happy with Vallejo Model Air.  You can look at colour charts online, but I've been happy with mixes of Burnt Umber, Raw Umber, German Red Brown, and Black Grey in various ratios.  But get a few more shades to give yourself some wiggle room.   The Model Air goes on nicely with a Micro Brush (for the rail), or sprayed, of course.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2022, 06:09:21 PM »
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Beat me to it @GaryHinshaw!

I use Vallejo 71.139 for RR Rail Brown and 71.029 for RR Tie Brown.
Because why not...

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2022, 09:01:48 PM »
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I've been really happy with Vallejo Model Air.  You can look at colour charts online, but I've been happy with mixes of Burnt Umber, Raw Umber, German Red Brown, and Black Grey in various ratios.  But get a few more shades to give yourself some wiggle room.   The Model Air goes on nicely with a Micro Brush (for the rail), or sprayed, of course.


Perfect, thank you!

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2022, 09:28:42 PM »
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For my last layout, I used Tamiya XF-64 red brown, and used a mix of Apple Barrel paints for the old weathered ties on the interchange.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2022, 11:32:21 AM »
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For my last layout, I used Tamiya XF-64 red brown, and used a mix of Apple Barrel paints for the old weathered ties on the interchange.

That XF-64 is soooo handy.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2022, 04:57:06 PM »
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I've been really happy with Vallejo Model Air.  ... The Model Air goes on nicely with a Micro Brush (for the rail), or sprayed, of course.

So then the 'Model Air' can be brush-painted as well?   I thought the 'Model Color' was for brushing.  (I'd hope the VMA not as watery thin as the Badger paint.)

There seems to be a disconnect in VMA vs. VMC numbers. For example VMA 71.001 and VMC 70.951 both list as 'White'.   Is there a mapping (straghtforward or otherwise) between the two numbering systems?   I wonder, because the MRH acrylics guide lists mixing for railroad colors in terms of VMA numbers.  For example, formula to make BN Green is:

5pt VMA 71.094
1pt VMA 71.089
1pt VMA 71.095

Is there an equivalent mix formula for using VMC colors?   Or should one just stick to VMA if one needs to mix RR colors?

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2022, 07:10:53 PM »
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Just watched a Boomer video on the same thing. Camo Brown is OK, but still need depth, wash and fade. I ask
for the recipe in an email and being buds, he hooked a brother up:

XF-1 MIXED WITH XF-64 (black and red/brown) for his Rail Brown.
XF 57 AND XF 52 are his over shoots on the ties and surrounding ballast/dirt

I stole from people here...
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Dig how he uses a 50/50 paint/IPA mix.
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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2022, 07:25:48 PM »
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For my last layout, I used Tamiya XF-64 red brown, and used a mix of Apple Barrel paints for the old weathered ties on the interchange.

Also just a video (as I wait for my Iwata to come) on how to use Apple Barrel Wal Mart cheap paints mixed with water in air brush.
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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2022, 11:34:32 PM »
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So then the 'Model Air' can be brush-painted as well?   I thought the 'Model Color' was for brushing.  (I'd hope the VMA not as watery thin as the Badger paint.)

I've had very good luck brushing the Model Air on small parts, like signals, rail, and the like.  For larger surfaces, Model Color (or an airbrush) would be better.  I'm not familiar with Badger's consistency, but I would not describe the Model Air as "watery" thin.

There seems to be a disconnect in VMA vs. VMC numbers. For example VMA 71.001 and VMC 70.951 both list as 'White'.   Is there a mapping (straightforward or otherwise) between the two numbering systems?   

It's quite perplexing - and annoying - that they have mostly different colours in the two lines.  There is a conversion chart, but it is fairly limited in its Air <> Color equivalences:

https://www.sunwardhobbies.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/vallejo-equivalent-values.pdf

I generally just pick up a range of close colours and mix my own to match a specific model (in cases where I want to match existing paint).  HTH.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2022, 01:13:46 AM »
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Micro-Lux (Micro-Mark) airbrush acrylic, Railroad Tie Brown and Rail Brown.  They make it in brushable form as well.
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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2022, 03:33:02 AM »
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I have plenty of airbrush equipment, but I've found my best rail and track colors, which appear to be very similar to what you're attempting to do Ed @Ed Kapuscinski  to be accomplished using rattle-cans of Krylon or Rustoleum paint.

The colors I use are Ultra-Flat Camo Black for the rails, and Ultra-Flat Camo Brown for the ties.

These two colors act as base colors for the rails and ties....how they're applied making the difference in how they appear after application.

First step is to spray the track, ties and all, with the Camo Black, the object being to spray mainly from various angles to get the sides of the rails and the sides of the ties.  Of course, the tops of the ties are going to be covered too in this step, but getting the rail sides is the most important.

I make sure I'm spraying light coats always.  I don't want thick paint to obscure my ME C55's track detailing, and I want it to dry quickly.

Next, after waiting about ten or fifteen minutes for the paint to "dry" (not "cure") I remove the first coat from the tops of the rails using an old flexible Brite Boy track cleaner.  This process goes pretty quickly.

Then, I spray a very light spray of Ultra Flat Camo Brown from directly above the track...like perpendicular to the tops of the rails...so that there's a very light coat of Camo Brown that covers the tops of the ties, with only overspray lightly dusting the sides of the rails and the sides of the ties.

Again, I wait ten or fifteen minutes, then remove the uncured paint from the tops of the rails.

This gives a very nice grayish/brown color to the sides of the rails, and a good medium brown base coat for the ties.

Next, using prototype photos, I brush paint individual ties...with various shades of tan, brown, and grey...varying the colors randomly...not brush painting every tie, but enough to get a fairly prototype look using my color prototype colors as a reference.

Depending on the track, I'll apply either a dark wash to the ties, or dry brush them with a lighter color....

Then, I ballast my track.

After ballasting, I break out my Paasche VL and apply light dustings down the center of the ties, coloring both ties and ballast with either grimy colors or a reddish color (which represents UP weed killer used on UP mainlines up Weber Canyon).

Finally, I add color details such as little piles of sand on up-grade trackage, brake dust on down-grade trackage and grease where there are flange oilers.

UP is always tearing out old ties, replacing them and re-ballasting, so there are sections where the two mainline tracks in a section don't match, one being newly ballasted with new ties inserted, as opposed to the older, more weathered trackage on the adjacent mainline.

This works well for me, and from my photos, it appears very similar to what you're trying to accomplish color wise.

Photo (1) - Painted, weathered and ballasted dual mainline trackage in Wilhemina Pass using the rattle-can Camo Color track painting method:


Photo (2) - Closer view of track painted using rattle-can Camo colors:


I've done this for years, the only drawback being that the non-acrylic Camo paint will eat Styrofoam if applied thickly...but I prefer the non-acrylic version, so I keep my coats light.

It's also important to apply from directly overhead and in very light coats so the sides of the rails don't get covered completely with Camo Brown.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore


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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2022, 11:06:15 AM »
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This is pretty much the effect I was trying for, but given the lack of ventilation in my layout space I need to keep to acrylics and stuff I can airbrush without all the overspray.

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Re: Currently Available Track Color Suggestions
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2022, 12:30:16 PM »
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Ed you could always decant the camo paint outside and then air brush for better control and less stinky. Idea for thought.