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oakcreekco

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2022, 09:54:42 PM »
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In my experience warm water and soaps/dishwashing detergents just don't cut it.  It is sufficient for cleaning the loco's shell, but a stronger degreaser is needed for the mechanical parts.  Since all those part are made from pretty robust (unaffected by mild solvents) plastic or metal, my preferred degreaser is Naphtha. I get is in a gallon size can from the hardware store (called VM&P Naphtha), but Ronsonol lighter fluid is the same stuff (but much more expensive).  As an alternate degreaser I use 99% IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol, also in gallon cans from hardware store).  (91% Rubbing alcohol also works, but I prefer the stronger solution.

Of course the standard warning to be careful around these is in order. Both are flammable liquids, but are the best for the job.

Grease in the open-frame motor (like Atlas or Kato) can cause problems.  If I have a problematic motor, I just dunk it in my ultrasonic cleaner filled with Naphtha. That does a great job or removing the oil, grease and powdered brush material.  Naphtha will not cause any rusting of the armature.  I then use compressed air to blow all the remaining solvent out of the motor and let is sit for couple of hours to make sure all the solvent evaporates. Actually I sometimes cheat and put the motor in a food dehydrator (I use in my hobbies) to speed up the  drying process.  Next I make sure to sparingly oil both bearings as the cleaning process removed the oil in them.

After this cleaning/lubrication the motor is like new.

Good info and great use of things the make the job easier and better. Wish I had an ultrsonic cleaner. They work.

Only thing in my tool box for the motor is possibly using some high grade contact cleaner. I've got some aerosol CRC Contact cleaner. Supposed to be safe on plastics etc and leaves no residue. Almost nothing to lose at this point with this motor. Still acting up with slowing down, cogging&stopping and then up to speed.

Thanks again for your thoughts

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2022, 09:59:02 PM »
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Contact cleaner is better than just soap/water. Just make sure to really give the commutator area a good spritz (from both sides of the motor).  Then rotate the armature slightly and do it again (few more times).

The model is new, so the commutator lots are probably not full of brush dust (which is one of the main reasons for motors misbahaving), but the motor might have an open winding which cleaning will not fix.
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2022, 10:08:52 PM »
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Contact cleaner is better than just soap/water. Just make sure to really give the commutator area a good spritz (from both sides of the motor).  Then rotate the armature slightly and do it again (few more times).

The model is new, so the commutator lots are probably not full of brush dust (which is one of the main reasons for motors misbahaving), but the motor might have an open winding which cleaning will not fix.

Really dumb question. Take the brushes out before spraying?
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2022, 11:30:50 PM »
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Really dumb question. Take the brushes out before spraying?

Not necessary, but it would make the cleaning more thorough.  If you are up for it, sure, take them out (but don't lose them or the springs). They seem to really want to disappear into the 4th dimension.  :D

If you remove them, if the contact cleaner nozzle has a tube (like WD40), then you could even spray the cleaner into the brush holder tubes. That will give you direct aim at the commutator.
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2022, 11:45:59 PM »
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Thanks.

FWIW, I'm smelling good old dc electric motor stink on this chassis from hell. Gotta get up close, but reminds me of the old CTA smell when I was a kid! 😆

Thanks again for all of your input.
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2022, 08:35:11 AM »
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FWIW, I'm smelling good old dc electric motor stink on this chassis from hell. Gotta get up close, but reminds me of the old CTA smell when I was a kid! 😆

I love the smell of ozone in the morning!  ;)

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2022, 02:49:19 PM »
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I love the smell of ozone in the morning!  ;)

DFF

As good or better than bacon in the morning!  😆

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2022, 08:23:47 AM »
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My guess to the differences between units is the person or persons doing the assembly. That and low QC.

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2022, 07:41:14 PM »
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My worn Eureka Mighty Mite vacuum cleaner gives off faint whiffs of ozone.  It fondly reminds me of my old Lionel days and early N scale days with the Yugo locomotives.

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2022, 08:09:03 PM »
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The smell of ozone remark takes me back to the days of my youth when my dad would take me to the Burlington Junior which was an O Scale outside 3rd rail layout in the basement of a funeral parlor in Cicero, Illinois.  The owner had a son-in-law who was a Q mechanical department official who would get him drawings of the latest equipment on the railroad. He would scratchbuild models from flattened tin cans and they were powered by K&D motors the size of ones used in mixmasters.  The trains ran in two speeds…on and off…and they sparks from the third rail shoes and motors, generated clouds of ozone.  The other smell that brings me back is the smell of American Flyer smoke….but smelling ozone and seeing smoke around N Scale is a sign of motor or decoder problems!!
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2022, 09:58:20 PM »
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Dammit, every time I see this subject line in the "recent posts" section, I immediately think:

"You can't ever use too much lube."

...and then I remember we're talking about model trains.   :facepalm:

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2022, 10:18:32 PM »
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Dammit, every time I see this subject line in the "recent posts" section, I immediately think:

"You can't ever use too much lube."

...and then I remember we're talking about model trains.   :facepalm:

No, you're right. Unless you're talking about a DL109 or E Unit, you're gonna have a bad time without it.

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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2022, 01:46:26 AM »
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Smelling ozone around an N scale loco is usually a bad sign, but the ancient Arnold/Rapido FAs produce quite a bit of it, and just keep running.
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2022, 11:12:10 AM »
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The smell of ozone remark takes me back to the days of my youth when my dad would take me to the Burlington Junior which was an O Scale outside 3rd rail layout in the basement of a funeral parlor in Cicero, Illinois.  The owner had a son-in-law who was a Q mechanical department official who would get him drawings of the latest equipment on the railroad. He would scratchbuild models from flattened tin cans and they were powered by K&D motors the size of ones used in mixmasters.  The trains ran in two speeds…on and off…and they sparks from the third rail shoes and motors, generated clouds of ozone.  The other smell that brings me back is the smell of American Flyer smoke….but smelling ozone and seeing smoke around N Scale is a sign of motor or decoder problems!!
Charlie Vlk

"But smelling ozone and seeing smoke around N Scale is a sign of motor or decoder problems!!"
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I figured that something not so good was going on with this one unit. I haven't tried cleaning the motor yet, so right now I have a good looking paper weight.

I did reach out to the manufacturer for pricing and availability of a new motor, but haven't received a reply yet.

The good news is that the other two units have about 40 hours of "main line" running time, and are performing well after the clean up.

The old verse "two out of three ain't bad" ain't good in this situation, but that's what cards were dealt. I'll get back to it when I hear from the mfg about replacement motor availability and cost.
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Re: Is This Too Much Lube?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2022, 11:25:09 AM »
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Dammit, every time I see this subject line in the "recent posts" section, I immediately think:

"You can't ever use too much lube."

...and then I remember we're talking about model trains.   :facepalm:

There he said it.  Fell free to down vote.