Lowell Smith 12-4 sleeper "Western"

[peteski]

Sorry, I didn't mean to do any "zapping", if you meant my comment-

He obviously (to me) means down-vote in our forum's wonderful and very useful respect voting system.   

[Sokramiketes]

As shown in Point353's photos search, you can see the ACF riveted roof.  Kato modeled this well on their smoothside coach.  That might be an option for a replacement.  I plan to go part way and use an extra cable duct (not a running board!) from a core kit to modify the RailSmith roof, and then weather to approximate the rivet lines.  The cable duct will help it look the UP part.

My impression is also that the standard roof will be used.  With just a new tool for the car side. 

[Cajonpassfan]

Sorry, I didn't mean to do any "zapping", if you meant my comment- I'm scratching my head at this point thinking that I need to find some detail photos of various ACF and Pullman roofs to see what the various models I have should look like.
I'm guessing that since LS spec's the roof as a Pullman part, what he probably means is the roof from a 10-6, which regardless of ACF or Pullman, would likely be incorrect due to different arrangements of vents and grabs and such.  I note in the "Sun" photos provided by Point353, there are rivets between the seams on the roof, which don't show up on any model, Kato or Walthers, I have in my collection.

I don't know that your reaction is unreasonable. Personally, I've had the same complaint, without having 100 bucks on the line.  While yes, LS does insert the word "classic" into his descriptions, you need to know his definition of the word (which is to say, "inaccurate"), and catch it somewhere in the couple of paragraphs on any given car.

Sorry Tom, I wasn't referring to your post; someone "zapped" me with a downvote (but someone else since "unzapped" me
No big one way or another...but thanks to whomever.
Yea, I just wasn't privy to the new meaning of "classic"...
Otto

[Sokramiketes]

Point353's photo share made something else clear.  The appeal of this car from Lowell's perspective is that he only has to tool one new side of the car.  Not a whole new carbody.

Now the Western series makes more sense. 

[thomasjmdavis]

Point353's photo share made something else clear.  The appeal of this car from Lowell's perspective is that he only has to tool one new side of the car.  Not a whole new carbody.

Now the Western series makes more sense. 

I am confused- which side of the carbody matches another car in his catalog? 

Now you've got me wondering....

One thing I noticed, since it is different from the M&R version in my vast collection of not quite finished passenger cars, the 6 large windows are evenly spaced, where on the LS version, 5 are evenly spaced, and then there is a wider space between 5 and 6 (assuming 6 is the center window).  And the photos I can find of the Wabash cars look to me (granted, photos can be deceptive) as though the even spacing is correct.  Which leads me to wonder, since I think the cars were delivered in 2 or 3 batches from ACF, whether they are all identical.

On the "Sun" cars, in the photos provided by Point353, it appears that the windows on what I assume is the room side of the 11 bedroom car after modification, there are 7 medium sized windows- 1 separate and then 3 pairs arranged as they would be on a 10-6.  But the LS graphics indicate that the Sun cars as he's doing them are just repaints of the 12-4 carbody. 

[CBQ Fan]

It is all in the description if you read it.  Every car that I can recall has a pretty detailed description on whether it is true to prototype or a compromise and labeled Classic.

[OldEastRR]

I wondering why he doesn't get a roofwalk and glue that to the roof before painting? Not really a super modification to the carbody.  Are there any places that sell separate ACF roofwalks like that in N?

[wazzou]

I wondering why he doesn't get a roofwalk and glue that to the roof before painting? Not really a super modification to the carbody.  Are there any places that sell separate ACF roofwalks like that in N?

Sure, it's called Evergreen Strip Styrene.

[nickelplate759]

It's not actually a roof walk, but it does look like one.  The old American Limited core kits had a part for it.  If it's not on the car when I get it I may add that part.

And @OldEastRR @wazzou is right - a single piece of Evergreen strip is all you really need.

[Sokramiketes]

@thomasjmdavis I thought this side matched, but not quite.  Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

[thbguy]

For those of us who model the Canadian National, the CNR leased several of the Blue-series cars (Wabash, but N&W by 1967)  to deal with additional passenger traffic at Expo 67, including Blue Horizon. They were supposed to be on a two year lease, but were turned back early as they were not in great condition. Still, if you are modeling passenger trains into Toronto in 1967 it would not be out of place for one to be rolling into Union station from a Montreal train, or sitting in the passenger yard at Spadina.

I’ll have to look up the pictures and see if it looks accurate or not. I do not think they painted CN on them, unlike the EL and other leased cars. In fact, IIRC Blue Horizon was still marked Pullman on the letterboards!

Best regards,
Michael

[wazzou]

It's not actually a roof walk, but it does look like one.  The old American Limited core kits had a part for it.  If it's not on the car when I get it I may add that part.

And wazzou is right - a single piece of Evergreen strip is all you really need.

Fixed it.   

[Nato]

     What everyone refers to in their posts as walkway,  was called Wire Cable Duct Work on ACF UP cars and matching cars used by other roads in UP Service. see UP Passenger car diagrams, or the long out of print "UP Streamliners" by William Kratville. Yes Evergreen strip could represent this. Nate Goodman. (Nato).

[thomasjmdavis]

Thanks @Nato, I had wondered about what those were for. 

I've noted that the ATSF sleepers delivered by ACF in 1950 (Palm 10-6 and the ACF versions of the Regal 4-4-2) lack the cable duct.  Was the ductwork something specific to UP (and SP?) cars, or was it found more generally?

[Nato]

     The Cable Duct was specific to UP ACF cars and like cars on C&NW and Wabash. Nate Goodman. (NATO).