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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #195 on: November 11, 2019, 12:25:35 AM »
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I took some time this weekend to lay out some cork for West Cressona.
It's not glued down yet because I wanted to "see it" to make sure I can life with the radii.
I can live with this, so it's time to get out the liquid nails.
It looks as though you have sufficient space, so why not make the yard track radii larger?
Before you start gluing down roadbed, maybe you'd want to temporarily set up a piece of track with the tightest radius and see how reliably cars will couple up on it.

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2019, 10:51:44 AM »
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I've thought about the radii there quite a bit. Believe it or not the smallest one is 13". Which, while tight, isn't "zomg tight". I'm also not really expecting to use it as much of a yard track and it's biggest job is being the lead to the old engine servicing facility. In fact, looking back at the history of the plan, that track was a late addition.

There isn't as much space to unwind it as you'd think though if you look at the plan, especially from the other side.

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I have thought about the coupling on a curve thing. On one hand, there's plenty of non-curved "apron" where hitches can be made. But, on the other hand it bums me out that using them wouldn't be following prototype practice where you set the one car in the end of the yard track and then couple up against that.
But I can live with it, especially given my heresy and widespread use of truck mounted couplers.

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2019, 10:52:12 AM »
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Yummy! I can imagine it buried in cinders already. 😎

Me too!

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2019, 10:56:32 AM »
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Not going to look for the post, but I recall from early in this design you rationalizing the curved yard as 1) per prototype, and 2) you didn't envison making/breaking trains in this yard, it was mostly for double-overs where you would be coupling-to on the straight sections.
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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2019, 11:09:50 AM »
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Not going to look for the post, but I recall from early in this design you rationalizing the curved yard as 1) per prototype, and 2) you didn't envison making/breaking trains in this yard, it was mostly for double-overs where you would be coupling-to on the straight sections.

Yeah. The real thing is curvy. Obviously not this curvy, but we don't all have warehouses  :D

One thing to keep in mind about this facility is that it ISN'T supposed to be a major classification yard. It's really all about making up a local or two and having a "home base".

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2019, 12:39:35 PM »
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I've thought about the radii there quite a bit. Believe it or not the smallest one is 13". Which, while tight, isn't "zomg tight". I'm also not really expecting to use it as much of a yard track and it's biggest job is being the lead to the old engine servicing facility. In fact, looking back at the history of the plan, that track was a late addition.

There isn't as much space to unwind it as you'd think though if you look at the plan, especially from the other side.



I have thought about the coupling on a curve thing. On one hand, there's plenty of non-curved "apron" where hitches can be made. But, on the other hand it bums me out that using them wouldn't be following prototype practice where you set the one car in the end of the yard track and then couple up against that.
But I can live with it, especially given my heresy and widespread use of truck mounted couplers.
If you look at the "bigger picture", it appears as though there is room to move the yard throats out about foot at either end.
That would allow you to make the radii somewhat larger and/or add easements at each end of the curved yard tracks.


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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2019, 01:01:39 PM »
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Maybe I missed it, but why not keep the reverse curve to a minimum?



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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #202 on: November 11, 2019, 01:23:22 PM »
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Ed, you're fine.  There are sufficient tangent sections at the end of the yard tracks where the coupling/uncoupling can occur, even if that strays a little from the prototype.  If I understand correctly, this is not a classification yard, so not a ton of switching will occur here.  Plus, if the inner track is a 13" radius, that's wide compared to some of the curves that I've used on N scale layouts.  Heck, the Seaboard Central 2.0's minimum mainline radius was 12-3/8", and the branch was a 10" minimum radius.  Not to mention that moving the yard throats out a foot or so on each end just takes away that much more negative space from the layout.

There's no need to gut your plan.  Just build it and JFRTM (heh, JBIAFRTM).

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #203 on: November 11, 2019, 01:54:31 PM »
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Maybe I missed it, but why not keep the reverse curve to a minimum?



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I don't think I'm going to go that direction, but that IS an interesting take on it. Neat!

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #204 on: November 11, 2019, 02:27:13 PM »
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I took some time this weekend to lay out some cork for West Cressona. It's not glued down yet because I wanted to "see it" to make sure I can life with the radii.











I can live with this, so it's time to get out the liquid nails.

A yard full of coal does me good. Keep it up!

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #205 on: November 11, 2019, 03:02:50 PM »
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Since you grew up in the area, other than churches and pizza places, what are the iconic things I need to include as background?


Hey Ed...sorry for delay in reply. had to process my experience of those locations and think in terms of your era.


small town Schuylkill County and surrounding area:
lots of churches (as you note) with a ratio of 3 barrooms for every church
churches are still to some degree ethnic in makeup and run the spectrum of western and eastern european and various eastern orthodox, as well
the location of each church is in a neighborhood that was earlier also with ethnic makeup
thus the pizza joints along with smattering of pa dutch and polish (especially in terms of ma & pa shops and restuarant)
it is, afterall, the home of yuengling, mrs. t, anthracite coal (though less and less since the '50s), and lots of mills (mostly clothing, plastic production, concrete architectural/building materials)
so lots of brick and mostly non victorian in design
each town had its share of muscle cars (dating back to the 60s), mostly chevy, ford, and mopar continuing into the more recent years, "foreign" cars were shunned to a large degree
fire companies were many, 3 to 4 per town (even the smallest towns) volunteer oriented with lots of pride in their equipment
the most noticeable visual was the "not worth using" coal banks that lined both highways and back roads
these blotches of black were visually interesting and drew the eye to them, especially in winter months, for the white birch trees that seemed to be the only thing that could/would grow in them, the light bark color standing out against the black backdrop
while each town had a new addition/development that boasted more elaborate and expensive housing and white collar life, these were not visible from railroad mainline
housing was very low to central middle class with many of the company houses still being occupied (but with additions and some updates added but still looking appalachian coal region)
the neighborhoods that lined both sides of the railroad were mostly residential but a downtown shopping and/or business section could be within a block or two of distance (exceptions would be shamokin area where tracks still run down the middle of the downtown area)
while there was a fair share of farming, i do not recall any agriculture near or visible from the railroads
there was also a distinct contrast between one side of the railroad neighborhood and the other side
those towns still have a sense of being from the right or wrong side of the tracks, not that the social class differed to large degree, just a more worn and torn sense to the buildings on the "wrong" side
downtown areas were deteriorating as businesses and shopping made its way from in town to the strip mall or mall outside of town and away from railroad (the exception here was the cressona area where a strip mall continues to this day)
i hope this gives you some sense of that area and will be helpful in your modeling
i know you will capture it and your model railroad will continue to reveal your skill and ability of modeling


thanks for your modeling and the sharing here which provides wonderful resources for other modelers


sincerely
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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #206 on: November 11, 2019, 08:07:02 PM »
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That is fantastic. THANK YOU.

I'll be winging it a bit as I go but that's wonderful guidance. I don't think I'm going to have too much space for civilization, but those are all things I'm going to try and incorporate. I really love the idea of multiple VFDs in the same town.

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #207 on: November 12, 2019, 10:40:43 AM »
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the most noticeable visual was the "not worth using" coal banks that lined both highways and back roads
these blotches of black were visually interesting and drew the eye to them, especially in winter months, for the white birch trees that seemed to be the only thing that could/would grow in them, the light bark color standing out against the black backdrop

This, Tall banks of black rock with white birch surrounding the bottom. This will be good for by the breaker and should be highlighted on your backdrops.

They are still pretty common though many have been "reclaimed".
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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2019, 12:36:10 PM »
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This, Tall banks of black rock with white birch surrounding the bottom. This will be good for by the breaker and should be highlighted on your backdrops.

They are still pretty common though many have been "reclaimed".

The fun thing about the era I'm doing is that it was smack in the middle of that reclamation process. One of my loaders on the layout will actually be loading "fines", ie, stuff pulled out of those piles.

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Re: Conrail up in Coal Country
« Reply #209 on: November 12, 2019, 05:48:04 PM »
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Yeah there's an operational issue of dealing with a curved yard, but I gotta say in the "simulated" yard, loaded with hoppers– the look is really cool.