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Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:27:24 AM »
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George's recent thread about resurrecting one of those made me dig up some old photos of mine.  Here is a quick review of the model, and the modifications I added to it (back when it was first offered for sale in the '90s).  That was before DCC, so I added my own lighting effects.  I originally posted this info on the Atlas Forum (which is now gone).

This was the first (brass or plastic) N scale model produced of then-new Amtrak Genesis revolutionary locomotive utilizing a monocoque body.  It was a precursor to the P42.

The model has a typical brass construction.  Detail level is quite high, and the mechanism is what is expected from brass models - not as good or quiet as contemporary plastic N scale diesel locos.  Spookshow (Mark) has his typical review available here.


The model is a good representation of the prototype.  Notice that the early examples of this loco had 3 openings over the windshield: The outer ones were Xenon strobe lights, while the center one was a red emergency beacon (like the one on F40PH locos).  But disappointingly,  those were simply represented by a decal on the cast-brass nose.  I wanted to illuminate them, so I risked milling them out on my milling machine (without making mistakes or even damaging the paint).  I succeeded.  This photo shows the finished model with the light bulbs mounted behind the "glass" covers (which are made form epoxy glue).


The rear of the model features a window for the hostler's cab. This was a feature unique to the AMD-103 (aka P40DC).  Kato's P42 models do  not have that window.


Top view.




Side views. The initial paint scheme had the red/white/blue strip which faded towards the rear of the loco.  I read somewhere that this fading was supposed to create a waving-like effect when the loco passed the observer at high speed.


My model is from the initial run, utilizing the overly-complex mechanical design.
The motor shaft, instead of driving a worm, drives a series of spur gears in each truck's gear tower. Those in turn drive a short drive shaft in the the truck, with worms on each end, finally driving the gears mounted on the wheelset axles.


Another view of the bottom side.

Because there are several gears turning at the same high speed as the motor shaft, the mechanism will always have some inherent whine.  I did take everything apart and put it back together making sure everything was in best alignment. That slightly reduced the whine, but it did not eliminate it (not that I expected that it would).


Borrowing Spookshow's image, this model has a typical brass-model rats-nest of wires.


To clean up the wiring I etched couple of PC boards.  The rear PC board was just used to interconnect the truck leads to the front PC board.  Having solder pads near the truck's pickup wires makes servicing the loco easier than dealing with original rats-nest of wires.



On the front PC board I also installed diodes (red components on the right) to obtain 1.4 Volts needed for my constant lightning circuit (remember, this is a DC loco).

I also prefer not to have wires (umbilical cord) connecting the shell to the chassis.  Whenever possible I install contacts on the chassis engaging corresponding metal pads in the shell. That way I can easily disassemble and service the model without wires getting in my way.
Those contacts (to pass the 1.4V to the shell and all the lights mounted there) are visible on top of the motor bracket.  Basically it's a small PC board with 2 pads, with flexible phosphor-bronze strips soldered to those pads.  The shell has a similar PC board with 2 pads glued inside the roof, directly over those contact strips.  When the shell is placed over the chassis those contact strips will be touching the pads on the roof, connecting them electrically.


This photo shows the flasher circuit I built and installed in this model.  Also, a small portion of the PC board with pads to connect to the chassis' contact strips glued to the roof is visible at the left edge of the photo.


Front part of the shell with all the lights installed.  Since this was before tiny white SMD LEDs were available, I used Miniatronics 1.2mm 1.5V incandescent bulbs.

Light bulbs do eventually burn out and have to be replaced. To facilitate easy replacement I used brass tube guides for the bulbs and their leads are soldered to PC board interconnects.  The bulbs are slid into the tubes until the touch inside of the light lenses on the locomotives nose. If they need to be replaced, I simply unsolder the burned bulb, pull it out of the tube, then slide new bulb into the tube and solder it to the pads on the PC board.

The 4 tubes with bulbs visible in the photo are headlights and ditch lights.  The 2 other tubes, further down, are for the strobe lights.  I also tinted the strobe light bulbs with a thin layer of Tamiya transparent blue paint to simulate "cool white" light of a Xenon strobe.

While not really visible in this photo, I also added cab walls, so if one looks through the windshield, the loco's innards will not be visible.

Maybe one of these days I'll update this model with DCC decoder and run it with my Kato P42s.
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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2023, 07:21:30 PM »
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Hey @peteski, have you done anything to improve the noise of this unit? I literally just picked up the same one, number and everything.
Also thinking about adding sound to it, and a lighting similar to yours with the strobes. But obviously I'll use 0402 LEDs for everything instead of 1.5v gow bulbs. I don't have any specific programmers yet, but seems like Soundtraxx may be the way I go on mine as it's easier for me to understand than ESU.
Only problem is I think there are less lighting out puts than the Loksound, so now I have to figure out the strobe lights. I was leaning towards putting them on the same function, but having one slightly delayed, which I'll have to figure that circuit out as well.
I'm definitely considering swapping a Kato motor into it, just as soon as I figure out how to match up the drive shafts.
My end goal is to run mine with Kato units as well. Most likely the F40PHs though.
I will say though I really like the PCBs you mounted near the trucks. The seem like a major improvement over the loose wires everywhere.
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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2023, 07:53:33 AM »
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Hey @peteski, have you done anything to improve the noise of this unit? I literally just picked up the same one, number and everything.
Also thinking about adding sound to it, and a lighting similar to yours with the strobes. But obviously I'll use 0402 LEDs for everything instead of 1.5v gow bulbs. I don't have any specific programmers yet, but seems like Soundtraxx may be the way I go on mine as it's easier for me to understand than ESU.
Only problem is I think there are less lighting out puts than the Loksound, so now I have to figure out the strobe lights. I was leaning towards putting them on the same function, but having one slightly delayed, which I'll have to figure that circuit out as well.
I'm definitely considering swapping a Kato motor into it, just as soon as I figure out how to match up the drive shafts.
My end goal is to run mine with Kato units as well. Most likely the F40PHs though.
I will say though I really like the PCBs you mounted near the trucks. The seem like a major improvement over the loose wires everywhere.

Thanks nascaler711!  While I used that loco often back when it was new (and so were the 1:1 P42s out in the wild) running it on NTRAK layouts at the trains hows, it now has been sitting in my display case for years.  Yes, the mechanical noise it makes is loud and annoying. It is like it has a built-in sound generator.  :)

Other than adapting a Kato P42 chassis to fit its shell (not even sure how doable that is), I don't have any ideas on how to quiet it down.  Its rather unusual mechanism design (with lots of brass gears and worms meshing) I believe causes all that noise.  Speed matching it to Kato units will likely take some doing too.

I added the custom PC boards because I hate models with rat's nests of wires inside (which is pretty much every brass model). I like my models to be easily serviceable, and my modifications, while they do not eliminate the wires, make it easier to disassemble and reassemble.

Yes, small white LEDs will make perfect strobes - I did mine before even the larger size white LEDs were easily obtainable.  I'm still in awe how white LEDs changed the entire lighting world.  Good luck with this part of the projects.  I machined the strobe openings on the slanted nose using a milling machine, but it was a nail-biting experience worrying about damaging the surrounding paint.

As far as getting the strobes out-of-sync, I'm not sure you can do this within the decoder programming. Most decoders have alternate ditch light effect (for alternating ditch lights), but not for strobes. And even if they did, that would be alternating, not slightly off-timing.  I know ESU and other decoders I worked with, do not have that capability.    But I also believe that the 1:1 loco had its strobes in-sync, so there should be no need to have them use different timing.
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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2023, 08:45:32 AM »
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Home made PCBs, eh? What all does that entail?

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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2023, 02:02:58 PM »
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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2023, 12:41:23 AM »
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@peteski so after tinkering through my parts bins, I found a cab insert from a Kato P42, and wouldn't you know? it's a dead on fit. Go figure. Lol
I also did something without a milling machine that made me nervous, but I think... Came out ok... Engineers side is a little meh but from a distance I'll be fine.
Also have spare Kato light boards, that I'll cannibalize for routing wires. Seems like once they are loose all they want to do is get pinched.

I think what's crazy about finally owning one of these OMIs is I'm not sure I'll ever look at the Kato's the same... The proportions just seem right on the OMI. Including the curve that's on the nose. Kato's look flat now.
I know I dug this up from the grave, but I am seriously glad you took the time to write it all out.
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Re: Overland AMD-103 Diesel - quick overview
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2023, 01:53:23 PM »
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I guess it shouldn't be surprising that the Kato cab interior fits.  Thinking about it, the AMD-103 shell is made from brass, which is quite a bit thinner than molded plastic P42, and shape of both models is quite similar.  So if anything, the fit should be loose.

If you want to come up with some PCBs like I did, you don't have to etch them.  Our own Ron Bearden makes his own PCBs using a much simpler method: he grinds off the unwanted copper cladding.  Actually in the past I have also made my PCBs using similar method.  Here's an example of Ron's PCB:



As you can see, while not pretty, it is functional.  You don't have to grind off large areas of the copper cladding. Just small groove will isolate the copper areas.  I have used a small dental burr in a Dremel tool to grind the grooves.

Over the years I've accumulated a decent stash of copper clad boards (single and double side) of various thickness.  I got mine from various surplus electronic dealers, some of which are no longer in business.  The one that is still around (Electronic Goldmine) unfortunately does not have the type of copper clad PCB I would recommend for this application.  But if you do a Google search for "FR4 copper clad", you should be able to find a source for single-sided boards.  FR4 is fiberglass/epoxy board material which I recommend. As for thickness I would recommend 1/32" or thinner to be able to easily cut it with scissors.

You mentioned the apparently different shape of the Kato and brass model's shells.  I have noticed that, but I never set the Kato and brass next to each other, or compare them to photos of the 1:1 loco.  As I understand Kato worked directly with Amtrak designing their Amtrak models, so I would assume Kato's shape is more accurate.  Part of the visual difference is that in the AMD-103 the space between windshields is painted black, where P42 is not.  It is also possible that since AMD-103 was the early version of this loco, maybe there were some changes made to the shape of the P42 body.  I really don't know.
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