Briggs Models Marine Industries 71ft Bulkhead Flat car

[BCOL 747]

Briggs Models will be producing three versions of the Marine Industries 71ft Bulkhead flatcar in N scale. They will include a centerbeam version, log bunk version and the standard as built version. The kits will come with etched ladders, grab irons and stirrups steps. The price of the kit will be $30 Canadian. The prototype is used on CN, CP and BC Rail, as well as several other railways across North America.

The model will be 3–D printed to a quality similar to injection modeled plastic kits. As this is, a different process compared to regular 3-D printing (i.e. Shapeways) there is no removal of the waxy material on the subject during the printing process. The kits and parts come ready to build.

This is only an expression of interest/order list. No cash up front from anyone. Once the models have been completed and ready for purchase, I will contact you and they will be put it up for sale on the Briggs Models website. You will be able to order directly from the site by using PayPal, credit card, or by mail if desired.  http://www.briggsmodels.ca/

If you are interested in having this kit produced please email me your contact information and the number of kits you might be interested in which I will pass on to Jeff. My email address is chrisd@briggsmanufacturingassociates.com. Please feel free to pass this information on to anyone who may be interested or post elsewhere.

Kind regards,
Chris Dittmar
Email chrisd@briggsmanufacturingassociates.com

[sirenwerks]

When were these cars built and hitting the lower 48?

[GhengisKong]

Have the C415s chipped yet?

[mu26aeh]

What other roads were these built for/ended up on ?  These might be a viable option for me with the scarcity and extreme pricing of the rare ExactRail Trenton Works versions

[BCOL 747]

Have the C415s chipped yet?

Hi GhengisKong

Victoria was shut for a week due to terrible weather. Jeff couldn't get into the shop to get anything out. He is catching up now. PM me and I will make sure yours got out.

Kind regards,

Chris

[sirenwerks]

Hi GhengisKong

Victoria was shut for a week due to terrible weather. Jeff couldn't get into the shop to get anything out. He is catching up now. PM me and I will make sure yours got out.

Kind regards,

Chris

Chris,


Let me know when they're ready, I may be able to swing at least some of them now. Depending on how my taxes work out.

[BCOL 747]

When were these cars built and hitting the lower 48?

You would have started to see these cars in the States in the early 1970's.

Chris

[BCOL 747]

What other roads were these built for/ended up on ?  These might be a viable option for me with the scarcity and extreme pricing of the rare ExactRail Trenton Works versions

There were similar cars built by Thrall in the United States. Early ones were 61'-0" (ie. Micro-Trains car) and later ones were 68'-0".  I am not sure about the Exactrail cars. I believe they are a similar length but would have differences in bulkhead construction, number of stake pockets, and safety fittings (grabs, ladders, etc.).

Production of the Marine Industry Cars ran from 1973 to 1981 and many are still around or are in second hand in service. I am not sure about who in the US is running the today, but the versions below were seen all over North America. Below is a little bit of information provided by Tim Horton.

BC Rail

BCIT 818000-818119 built by Marine Industries in March 1974

BCOL 866000-866415 Built by Marine Industries in June-Sept 1980 some rebuilt as bulkhead log flats with four log bunks rebuilt cars renumbered to 864000-864415

BCOL 866500-866739 Built by Marine Industries in May-Sept some rebuilt as centrebeam cars with BC Rail kits 1991 some cars returned to Procor; re# UNPX

BCOL 866800-866899 Built by Marine Industries in May 1980 some rebuilt as centrebeam cars with BC Rail kits 1991 some cars sold to BAR; some returned to Procor re# UNPX

CP Rail

CP Rail CPI 317000-317199 built by Marine Industries in Nov-Dec 1973

CPI 317200-317399 built by Marine Industries in April 1974

CP 317400-317509 built by Marine Industries in May 1980

CP 317510-317609 built by Marine Industries in March-April 1981 sold to Wisconsin Central 1995

CN Rail

CN 620000-620499 built by National Steel Car in Jan-Aug 1976

CN 621000-621074 purchased from NAFX in 1978 ex-NAFX 10400-10549 & 10710-10764 built by Marine Industries in April 1974 & March 1975

CNIS 621100-621299 built by Marine Industries in March-May 1980

CN 622000-622119 purchased from NAFX in 1979 (were on lease to BCR) ex-BCIT 818000-818119/NAFX 705990-70709 built by Marine Industries in March 1974

Algoma Central AC 238100-238195 purchased from CP in 1995 Ex-CP 317400-317509 built by Marine Industries in May 1980

ON Rail ONT 10535-10549 built by Marine Industries in March 1975 some rebuilt as centrebeam cars using the BC Rail kits rebuilt cars renumbered to 4000-4054 series 1993-1994

Procor Ltd. FFIX 173000-173019 Built by Marine Industries in October 1973

North American Car NCFX 10765-10799 Built by Marine Industries in October 1974

Hope this helps.

Chris

[BCR 570]

Below is a little bit of information provided by Tim Horton.

To which I can add for our American friends:

Cars with BCIT, CPI and CNIS reporting marks were initially restricted to international service between Canada and the United States.


Tim

[lock4244]

WCTR operates former BCOL and CP cars.

[nkalanaga]

Thank you!  It looks like I could use:
BCIT 818000-818119
CP Rail CPI 317000-317199
CPI 317200-317399

Now, I remember plain CP, CN, and BCOL cars in Pasco, Washington in the early 70s.  What, if any, restrictions were there on cars with those reporting marks entering the US?  Or were the restrictions on the Canadian side, barring BCIT, CNIS, and CPI cars from service between Canadian points?

[BCR 570]

Restrictions were on the Canadian side for tax purposes; if restricted to international service there were tax exemptions for purchase and repairs.  They were not to be used for domestic shipments (ie. within Canada).

General service cars (BCOL, CN, CP) had no restrictions and could be used for shipments within Canada or down to the United States, so you would have seen those as well.


Tim

[cv_acr]

Of additional interest to American modelers, the FFIX (PROCOR/Finlay Forest Industries lessee) cars went to WCTR and then to BNSF in the early 2000s:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=bnsf545714&o=bnsf

This BNSF number range also includes some ex-CP cars via WCTR although the particular CP series had unique jacking pads.

There were at least three different variations of bolster jacking pads and two different bulkhead designs (cars built new for CN had different bulkhead bracing than all the others) on these cars.

[cv_acr]

CPI 317200-317399 built by Marine Industries in April 1974

Ian Cranstone's roster listings (http://nakina.net/cp/cp.html) indicate this series was only listed in equipment registers between 1975 and 1976 before disappearing again, and may have been ex-NAFX 10400-10549.

Add CP 317350-317409 to the list though. Ian lists them as built March 1974, but only appearing in ORER listings in 1977. Still in service today.

CP 317400-317509 built by Marine Industries in May 1980

Series should start at 317410. To AC 238100-238195.

CP 317510-317609 built by Marine Industries in March-April 1981 sold to Wisconsin Central 1995

To WCTR not WC. Later to BNSF ~2001.
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=wctr317527&o=wctr
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=bnsf545806&o=bnsf

Also add CPI 25000-25039 (Blt. 1974) & 25040-25109 (blt. 1975) to the list. These had 4 pockets each side for heavy side stakes for handling logs.
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cpi25050_2&o=cprail

Note that the Ontario Northland cars also had these heavy pockets for log stakes.

Algoma Central AC 238100-238195 purchased from CP in 1995 Ex-CP 317400-317509 built by Marine Industries in May 1980

It should be noted that these were rebuilt with side stakes for pulpwood service when purchased by WC/AC.
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ac238105&o=ac

ON Rail ONT 10535-10549 built by Marine Industries in March 1975 some rebuilt as centrebeam cars using the BC Rail kits rebuilt cars renumbered to 4000-4054 series 1993-1994

Also ONT 10550-10589.

10535-10549 (yellow paint) to ONT 4000-4014. 10550-10589 (dark green paint) to ONT 4015-4054.

[cv_acr]

Restrictions were on the Canadian side for tax purposes; if restricted to international service there were tax exemptions for purchase and repairs.  They were not to be used for domestic shipments (ie. within Canada).

General service cars (BCOL, CN, CP) had no restrictions and could be used for shipments within Canada or down to the United States, so you would have seen those as well.


Tim

To expand a bit more, to beyond just flatcars,

These marks were *usually* used on Canadian-built cars, which were designated under some sort of arrangement as Tim described above for international service only - generally these cars weren't supposed to be used in domestic service in *either* country:

CNIS
CPI
PGER
ACIS
CVC
DWC

BCIT marks though were found on both Canadian and American built cars.

These marks were found on American built/acquired cars and under customs regulations were to be used in international or *US* domestic service the same as American cars (this would seem to have to do with where the cars were purchased and import duties/tariffs paid/not paid):

CNA
CPAA
ONTA

Cars for automotive service pools were pretty much all bought in the states with CNA (and GTW) and CPAA reporting marks.

CP's "International of Maine" division markings were an early precursor to this as well; "I of M" boxcars were built in the US by Pullman-Standard and the "I of M" markings distinguished them as American domestic cars. CP's first order(s) of 60' auto parts boxcars also received I of M markings before they created the CPAA reporting marks and started using those for American cars.

The regular CN, CP, BCOL, ONT, AC, THB, NAR, etc. markings could of course be used in unrestricted international or *Canadian* domestic service.


NAFTA in the mid 1980s changed some things to a certain extent, I'm not sure to what point - I am not a customs/import tax lawyer. These reporting marks were still used to sort of keep track of assignments though.

For example, CN is still using GTW and DWC reporting marks on new cars today, although the cars are built in both countries, so I'm not sure what is or isn't being imported or what the use of CN vs GTW vs DWC reporting marks means "on paper" today. There's also a lot of leased cars out there with US shortline marks like NOKL (Wells Fargo), NKCR (Trinity Leasing) and AOK (Greenbrier) etc. these days.