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mike_lawyer

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #120 on: February 22, 2019, 02:47:48 PM »
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 My great friend Adam ( @draskouasshat ) has been bugging me to get this done for awhile now and with the Photon printer, I hope to see if my plan is viable.

 Being I have a lot of info on the UP type 4-12-2, have some etched drive rods already, and the Kato Mike drivers are correct size, I'll be using it for R&D. I'm in the process of drawing the frame to use the stock Kato mike motor, but will have a extra set of gears to lower the final gear ratio. The first thing I need to do, is see if the resin is capable to withstand the temperature and pressure (375 degrees and 3500 psi for 40 minutes) of using it as a master for vulcanizing a rubber mold for spincasting. So, when the weather gets better and we have a few warm days that I'm able to get out into my shop, I'll give the vulcanizing a try. If it works, then I'll be doing the first castings with lead free britannia metal (what I use cost about $35 a pound). Zamak is a much better choice for price ($3.50 a pound) and weight, but needs to be cast with silicone rubber molds that I'll need to buy. If the resin doesn't work, then I'll have to make a mold of the printed parts with regular silicone and cast the masters with JB Weld and use them as masters for vulcanizing the spincasting molds.


 So if all of that works, I'll start on the drawings for the 2-10-2 and 2-10-4 Santa Fe type chassis.


 We need to find a source for the correct drivers. Adam is working on that and if they can't be found, then we have a couple of other ways to get them. Investment castings or Shapeway's 3D printed out of brass. Either method would require the drivers to be plated with nickle as what Max ( @mmagliaro ) did with the loco he built from scratch. Investment castings can be made if we have a set to make a mold with. Or draw them up in CAD and then they could be printed in brass or cast in brass from printed masters.  Drive rods will be etched in either nickle or brass. I haven't investigated that far yet.   


 I guess I need to start a thread on this when I start the casting process.

Wow, that is awesome.  I am super interested in this.  A 2-10-2 chassis that would house Kato Mikado drivers would be a dream come true.  Can't wait to follow the progress on this!

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #121 on: February 22, 2019, 03:30:34 PM »
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Well, That whole thing is a hot mess.....

. . . it can only run on tangent track.  :)
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #122 on: February 22, 2019, 06:25:02 PM »
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@robert3985 I think you are spot on in your concept on this thread. I think Kato is looking at the recent boost to UP 4141 and UP 1943 model sales because of the funeral train publicity. Whomever has models available when UP 4014 makes its maiden run will benefit from the media blitz. Kato will be opportunistic and will make the 4-8-8-4 to capitalize on the UP steam program getting this beast running again. It will also aid in the sale of their already tooled passenger cars.
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #123 on: February 23, 2019, 02:56:41 AM »
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Oddly, the Photoshopped "prototype" is a 4-10-10-6, while the model is a 4-12-12-6.

Wasn't that 4-12-12-6 one of Stalin's ideas, to follow his 4-14-4?  He actually built that one, and it spent most of its "working" life hauling a track repair train, to fix the damage it did to curves and turnouts.
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/russ/russrefr.htm

Read all the way to the bottom of the page and you'll find this unrelated bit:
" RAILWAY OPERATION IN SOVIET RUSSIA
I feel compelled at this point to recount an event which may give some flavour of railway operations in Soviet Russia. In March 1937 a railway accident occurred in Siberia; the details of the event are so far obscure, and may always remain so, but what is known is that 72 railway officials were held responsible and all were executed. As Peter Semmens put it: "One's mind boggles at trying to imagine the circumstances whereby that number of individuals could have actually had a hand in causing an accident."

We will, I fear, always suffer from people who think that any aspect of human behaviour can be changed if sufficiently severe punishments are available.

Source: "Railway Disasters of the World" by Peter Semmens, pub Patrick Stephens Ltd 1994"
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #124 on: February 23, 2019, 09:41:05 AM »
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Oddly, the Photoshopped "prototype" is a 4-10-10-6, while the model is a 4-12-12-6.

Wasn't that 4-12-12-6 one of Stalin's ideas, to follow his 4-14-4?  He actually built that one, and it spent most of its "working" life hauling a track repair train, to fix the damage it did to curves and turnouts.
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/russ/russrefr.htm

Read all the way to the bottom of the page and you'll find this unrelated bit:
" RAILWAY OPERATION IN SOVIET RUSSIA
I feel compelled at this point to recount an event which may give some flavour of railway operations in Soviet Russia. In March 1937 a railway accident occurred in Siberia; the details of the event are so far obscure, and may always remain so, but what is known is that 72 railway officials were held responsible and all were executed. As Peter Semmens put it: "One's mind boggles at trying to imagine the circumstances whereby that number of individuals could have actually had a hand in causing an accident."

We will, I fear, always suffer from people who think that any aspect of human behaviour can be changed if sufficiently severe punishments are available.

Source: "Railway Disasters of the World" by Peter Semmens, pub Patrick Stephens Ltd 1994"

Because of the error, or unlucky accident, the people executed probably saw or learned something they weren’t supposed to know or see.  As a result they were all summarily executed.
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #125 on: February 24, 2019, 12:50:53 PM »
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The Rail Grinder would be great, something very different from what is already out there.  Would love to see any of em' but lean heavily toward the different, never run idea.  Would give us more to use for kitbashing other unique stuff as well.

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #126 on: February 24, 2019, 11:52:45 PM »
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Dear kato, youll sell more steam engines than that dumba$$ rail grinder...…………………………………………… especially when modelers would be more inclined to buy 2 steamers than 2 rail grinders.
and make it not a Bigboy since we already have 2 plastic and 2? brass models!!

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #127 on: February 25, 2019, 03:45:42 AM »
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Honestly I'm just disappointed I didn't see any Santa Fe Northerns on the poll... I'd almost kill to have 3751 from Kato and 2926 would be icing on the cake... Hell may even make sense to use FEFs mech both used 80' drivers...
Nobody say anything about the Bmann version. It's a train set quality toy... And you know it. 

Aside from my usual bitching about not seeing a ATSF Northern, I choose DDA40X. The Bachmann one is garbage, sits too high, o scale style pilots *pukes* lack of detail (what can/should I expect it's a diesel from them.) Etc.
Hell maybe we'll even get ditchlights...

If we get a BB from Kato, fine with me. Had a Athearn Challenger, hated it. Would not stop destroying itself.
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #128 on: February 25, 2019, 08:47:45 PM »
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Honestly I'm just disappointed I didn't see any Santa Fe Northerns on the poll... I'd almost kill to have 3751 from Kato and 2926 would be icing on the cake... Hell may even make sense to use FEFs mech both used 80' drivers...
Nobody say anything about the Bmann version. It's a train set quality toy... And you know it. 

Aside from my usual bitching about not seeing a ATSF Northern, I choose DDA40X. The Bachmann one is garbage, sits too high, o scale style pilots *pukes* lack of detail (what can/should I expect it's a diesel from them.) Etc.
Hell maybe we'll even get ditchlights...

If we get a BB from Kato, fine with me. Had a Athearn Challenger, hated it. Would not stop destroying itself.


I agree. We have too few good ATSF steam units.  2925 or 2926–Kato have real live examples to use as models...

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #129 on: February 25, 2019, 10:38:50 PM »
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I second, third and fourth that!!!!!! I need a fleet of Northerns for my Santa Fe RR!!!! And what he said, the Bachman northern mech has improved 3 maybe 4 times since the 70's, but take the spectrum markings off the box, not even in the same league as the 2-8-0! Ok if you don't want to make the northern I am with Adam, I will take a 3800 class 2-10-2, great for freights and helper service!!!!!!! already own a brass big boy and a Athearn Big boy....we do NOT NEED another one.
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2019, 12:20:06 AM »
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Kato should put a "write-in vote" line on those polls.

Come to think of it... they probably would never want to do that, because they would see that many other engines would get more write-in votes than any of the ones they put on their list, and they have already decided that they want to make one of the ones on that list.

Heck, I'm not even a Santa Fe guy, but I'd vote for a Santa Fe 4-8-4 over anything on their list.  I can see that it's sorely lacking in N Scale.  No decent one has ever been made.  The brass ones look good and can be MADE to run well, but out of the box, they are science projects.

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2019, 08:06:05 AM »
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I'll be impressed if Kato's BigBoy will be able to handle 100+ cars, just like the real deal. Fingers crossed!

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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2019, 08:10:51 AM »
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There is a reason why a 2-10-2 is called a Santa Fe, and it's not because a marketing guy in NYC thought it sounded like a cool name.  ATSF liked them so much that they cut their 2-10-10-2s in half so they could have even more of them.  But given the way N scale manufacturers think, we'll probably see the 2-10-10-2 first.  Maybe that would still work- Max and Drasko could figure out for us how to cut them in half, and someone could 3D print the extra cabs, tenders and front/rear trucks.

I would probably buy some Santa Fe steam- assuming that someone announces it pretty soon. 

My real long shot request would be for GTW steam, or some CN steam that could be detailed into GTW steam.  Lacking that, can anyone suggest a ?-8-? mechanism with 73 inch driver and 19'-6" wheelbase or 77 inch drivers and a 20 foot wheelbase?
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #133 on: February 26, 2019, 08:17:43 AM »
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I'll be impressed if Kato's BigBoy will be able to handle 100+ cars, just like the real deal. Fingers crossed!
I'll be impressed if they produce any of the models that won their polls. To date, have they actually produced any of the "winning" entries?  I haven't kept track of all the polls, but I have NOT seen a Rocket or a PCC yet.  And in the case of the announced 20th Century, the version that won, IIRC, had a Hudson on the front end (not that I will complain about a Kato E7, but to make me happy, they would need to produce it in C&EI- and I rather expect that the Whippoorwill is a long way down their list of streamliners. LOL)
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Re: New Kato Poll
« Reply #134 on: February 26, 2019, 08:37:19 AM »
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  My real long shot request would be for GTW steam, or some CN steam that could be detailed into GTW steam.  Lacking that, can anyone suggest a ?-8-? mechanism with 73 inch driver and 19'-6" wheelbase or 77 inch drivers and a 20 foot wheelbase?


Well, I know that the More/LIK GS-1/2/6 would work for the 73" driver and wheelbase, as I've been looking for similar dimensions for a Rock Island R67 4-8-4 I want to build. But, that is prohibitively expensive and a waste of a beautiful loco.  As for the other one, if you could stomach the Con-Cor GS-4 mech, it's drivers are undersized at a scale 76" and it's wheelbase is a scale 21'6"