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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2018, 12:39:44 PM »
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I'm not a fan at all.  Some updatees or "improvements" made by manufacturers are actually steps backward.  :(

Just like Victor Miranda, I try to eliminate wires as much as possible (especially in places where there is constant movement, like truck-to-chassis contacts).  Well-adjusted (properly tensioned), and cleaned pickup strips work very well.  That is the most common truck-to-chassis current transfer method on a great majority of my locos, and also locos I service belonging to my NTRAK club members and owners of few layouts I operate on (and I also service many of those locos). In my servicing experiences, that contact area is nowhere as problematic as dirty wheels.  Whenever I service a model I polish the contact areas using a metal polishing paste. That seems to protect the contact areas from oxidizing. I've seen others applying a bit of oil or grease there.

I also really like the ease of servicing when trucks just drop out (without a need to disconnect any wires). Also, without any strain relief the stripped and terminated wire ends tend to be a weak spot where they will eventually break after being stressed by constant movement. I guess we'll see how these work out over time.  :|

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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2018, 12:45:01 PM »
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I wonder now if Bachmann is going to produce these locos. Maybe they have had them in the works before this.

Why wonder? I couldn't care less what products Bachmann produces. Unless you are a Pennsy fan, allowing for the evidently decent K4 Pacific they made, what have they contributed to N scale in the last 20 years that's useful?
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2018, 01:32:52 PM »
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... Bachmann produces... what have they contributed to N scale in the last 20 years that's useful?

A relatively decent DDA40X (finally), and the GE 44-tonner and 70-tonner. I'm happy with my 'J', too.
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2018, 02:16:48 PM »
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A relatively decent DDA40X (finally).

Decent? That one is another FOOBAR from Bachmann.  I just don't get it.  Yes, the Spectrum version runs better and has better detail, but what about the see-through section in the middle between the joined bodies?!

Lets, see: They design a brand new loco from scratch. Nice!  They power it with dual motors (just like the 1:1) version - awesome!  Um, but since the real loco was made up from 2 joined diesel loco bodies, there is a prominent see-through area in the middle of the loco. Bachmann could have easily duplicated that very prominent feature (after all, each truck is powered by a separate motor), but they decided close up that gap and put one of the motors right in the area, so it is not realistically possible to open the area without a serious chassis modification. WTF!! What were they thinking?!  :facepalm: :facepalm:   :facepalm:
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2018, 02:41:18 PM »
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[...sigh...]

I said "relatively". So the walkway is faked/shaded, which doesn't make it a "foobar". Certainly better than the OMI in several respects, and they are good runners, very much unlike the OMI shelf queens. Besides, correcting the walk-through isn't rocket science, either, just a little bit of Dremel time and quick styrene fab. My biggest gripe with 'em is the poor profiling on the trucks and the swivel pilots, a little harder to fix (neatly).
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2018, 02:42:16 PM »
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products Bachmann produces...what have they contributed to N scale in the last 20 years that's useful?
EM1, 2-8-0, and a decent, affordable GP7.  Rick

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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2018, 02:54:15 PM »
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...what have they contributed to N scale in the last 20 years that's useful?

2-8-0, 44 tonner, 70 tonner, 4-8-2 (once you shim the traction tire driver).....

Hell, even offering the tenders as a separate item was a good thing....
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2018, 03:01:46 PM »
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[...sigh...]

I said "relatively". So the walkway is faked/shaded, which doesn't make it a "foobar". Certainly better than the OMI in several respects, and they are good runners, very much unlike the OMI shelf queens. Besides, correcting the walk-through isn't rocket science, either, just a little bit of Dremel time and quick styrene fab. My biggest gripe with 'em is the poor profiling on the trucks and the swivel pilots, a little harder to fix (neatly).

NO!
From what I remember when I looked at it (before putting it back in the box in disgust), they (in their infinite wisdom) plopped one of the motors right in the walkway area!!  That is why I said that it will be a major surgery to daylight the walkway.   :facepalm: Little Dremel time?  No way Jose. Sad, very sad (as the POTUS Tweets say).   :RUEffinKiddingMe:

And yes, I forgot those flat-chested trucks!  Umm...  I have an idea how to fix them without involving 3D printing. Another projects on (actually off) my workbench. . .
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2018, 05:00:43 PM »
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Additional Bachmann worthwhile contributions in this century: late style H16-44, functioning GG-1 pantographs, Pennsylvania P70 coach, 10k single dome and triple dome tanks, USRA twin hopper, Northeastern caboose, T-frame trucks, and a very good trailer (I don’t remember the prototype) from the otherwise off-the-mark TOFC.

But if they offer an FA, there’s no way it beats the LL/Atlas version.
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2018, 05:39:43 PM »
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... they (in their infinite wisdom) plopped one of the motors right in the walkway area!! ...

Nope. Just a flywheel. I have a dozen (or more) of these with one becoming a DD35, and have assessed the issue multiple times.

Tell you what - in spite of everything else on my platter right now, I will take a few moments this evening and clear the walkway on one, short of the finish bodywork.
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »
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Nope. Just a flywheel. I have a dozen (or more) of these with one becoming a DD35, and have assessed the issue multiple times.

Tell you what - in spite of everything else on my platter right now, I will take a few moments this evening and clear the walkway on one, short of the finish bodywork.

Ok, we are splitting hairs here - motor, flywheel - it is a major (and large) part of the drive-train. If you cut that flywheel off, you should do the same to the other side.  I already bought a spare frame set to mess around with it.
Still, my gripe is that they could have just as easily designed this model with an open walkway, simply by placing that motor in a different spot. There is plenty of room for it in the chassis.  To me it is an inexcusable design mess-up.  One of those things that makes me throw my arms up in the air and say "What were they thinking?!".
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2018, 06:27:34 PM »
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Isnt the Bmann DD40___ still a wide body (less so but ...)?


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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2018, 08:47:28 PM »
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[...sigh...]

I said "relatively". So the walkway is faked/shaded, which doesn't make it a "foobar". Certainly better than the OMI in several respects, and they are good runners, very much unlike the OMI shelf queens. Besides, correcting the walk-through isn't rocket science, either, just a little bit of Dremel time and quick styrene fab. My biggest gripe with 'em is the poor profiling on the trucks and the swivel pilots, a little harder to fix (neatly).

My OMI Centennials operated regularly and reliably on the UNR2 N-scale club layout for years...also on my home module-based layout.  They ran slow, but they pulled a 45 car trailer flat train for hours around the layout at shows and when permanently set up when we acquired a space large enough to do that.  They had the OMI-supplied upgrades in them, and I superdetailed, painted and weathered 'em, but other than installing the OMI drivetrain upgrade, they were dead-stock inside with the exception of a multi-diode constant brightness directional lighting addition. 

One thing for sure, they LOOKED much better than the Bachmann Centennials, even with OMI's funky handrail arrangement which I never got around to replacing. 

So, my OMI Centennials were definitely NOT "shelf queens", and were quite the spectator draw at the shows.

But, I understand their bad pre-upgrade reputation caused them to not sell, and what's-his-name, who owned OMI, simply threw away most of his N-scale Centennials eventually.

Luckily for me, I acquired mine for a GREAT price before the trashing took place!

I understand that mine are running well after I sold them and they got DCC-ized in the midwest somewhere a few years back.

Photo (1) - My OMI Centennials in Wilhemina Canyon at The 1000 Mile Tree Monument, running reliably on my Ntrak rendition of the prototype location:



Photo (2) - OMI Centennials running light on Echo Curve, posing for eBay photos before being sold:


And...I agree 100% with Peter @peteski about the Bachmann DD-40's.  Luckily for me, Centennials don't fit into my chosen era...which is the reason I sold my OMI models...so, disappointing Bachmann DD-40's are no skin off my nose.

As for the new Alco FA/FB's... I hope they produce a second run with the A's having the larger nose number boards, instead of the tiny side-mounted ones to fit the prototype roads who had the larger boards, U.P. being my main interest.

I was hoping that when a new Alco FA/FB model came out, it would have both updated innards and body detailing, although I have had zero problems with my old LL models with their antiquated chassis.  Maybe in the near future other manufacturers will get the message that the Alco FA/FB engines are viable models and deserve to be brought into the 21st century as far as mechanicals and detailing are concerned.

Merry Christmas!
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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2018, 09:05:12 PM »
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Looking at Spooks page for the DD40.. the very first one had the potential for the open walkway.. but each revision makes the problem worse.. ) although the latest version seems like you could mill out the walkway..

http://www.spookshow.net/loco/bachdd40ax.html

I'll bet the next run will have sound and they will put the speaker in the center :)

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Re: The FA-1 / FB-1 Locomotive is Back
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2018, 09:24:10 PM »
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My OMI Centennials operated regularly and reliably on the UNR2 N-scale club layout for years...also on my home module-based layout.  They ran slow, but they pulled a 45 car trailer flat train for hours around the layout at shows and when permanently set up when we acquired a space large enough to do that.  They had the OMI-supplied upgrades in them, and I superdetailed, painted and weathered 'em, but other than installing the OMI drivetrain upgrade, they were dead-stock inside with the exception of a multi-diode constant brightness directional lighting addition. 

One thing for sure, they LOOKED much better than the Bachmann Centennials, even with OMI's funky handrail arrangement which I never got around to replacing. 

So, my OMI Centennials were definitely NOT "shelf queens", and were quite the spectator draw at the shows.

But, I understand their bad pre-upgrade reputation caused them to not sell, and what's-his-name, who owned OMI, simply threw away most of his N-scale Centennials eventually.

Luckily for me, I acquired mine for a GREAT price before the trashing took place!

I understand that mine are running well after I sold them and they got DCC-ized in the midwest somewhere a few years back.

And...I agree 100% with Peter @peteski about the Bachmann DD-40's.  Luckily for me, Centennials don't fit into my chosen era...which is the reason I sold my OMI models...so, disappointing Bachmann DD-40's are no skin off my nose.

As for the new Alco FA/FB's... I hope they produce a second run with the A's having the larger nose number boards, instead of the tiny side-mounted ones to fit the prototype roads who had the larger boards, U.P. being my main interest.

I was hoping that when a new Alco FA/FB model came out, it would have both updated innards and body detailing, although I have had zero problems with my old LL models with their antiquated chassis.  Maybe in the near future other manufacturers will get the message that the Alco FA/FB engines are viable models and deserve to be brought into the 21st century as far as mechanicals and detailing are concerned.

Merry Christmas!
Bob Gilmore

Were those the first run OMI from the late 80s or the version from 2005?