Bachman Bobber Vs Arnold Rapido Bobber

[peteski]

That Rapido coupler isn't much bigger than the Bachmann knuckle...

No kidding!  That's why we call that Bachmann coupler "boxing glove".  I think Daniel aptly coined that name.

[nkalanaga]

I haven't bought anything from Bachmann in so long I've never had to deal with their new couplers.  In fact, I think the last new Bachmann I bought while we lived in Pasco - and we moved 40 years ago this August.  For the time, their ACF Center Flows were nice models, and much easier to convert to 3-bay cars than the Atlas. 

As for that coupler, I imagine the Rapido also works better?  Besides, what other coupler SHOULD an "Arnold/Rapido" model have?

[Mark5]

Peteski:  I suspect they did use larger wheels. 

The wheels on the Arnold caboose are essentially 36" - at least thats what my vernier caliper says.

Mark

[peteski]

The wheels on the Arnold caboose are essentially 36" - at least thats what my vernier caliper says.

Mark

That makes sense.  European models use roughly scale 900-1000 mm diameter wheels.  That would be about 36-39" wheels. Arnold just used their standard European wheel.

[nkalanaga]

Probably larger than most bobbers, but there's no reason a railroad couldn't have used passenger wheels on a caboose.

[peteski]

Probably larger than most bobbers, but there's no reason a railroad couldn't have used passenger wheels on a caboose.

I'm not a railroad historian, but I suspect that in era when bobber caboose were in general use they used smaller wheels, even on passenger cars of that period.

[nkalanaga]

At least some passenger cars were using 36 inch wheels in the 1880s.  I don't know when bobbers finally disappeared, but am sure they were still running then.

[Mark5]

Seems highly unlikely that a bobber would have 36" wheels. Can't remember seeing a pic of one where I thought otherwise.

http://www.lincolntrain.com/1899-bobber-caboose.html

Some of the ex N&W ones survived up to mid century on shortlines.

Mark

[johnb]

Is there any chance of someone getting scale demensions of these cars? I am now pondering about modeling one of these. The Pacific Electric had 8 total, the last 4 were retired in 1941

[Mark5]

Is there any chance of someone getting scale demensions of these cars? I am now pondering about modeling one of these. The Pacific Electric had 8 total, the last 4 were retired in 1941

Looks like a scale drawing there. 

11' 6 3/4" to the roof line.

20'6" from end to end (over end sills)

Body 8' wide

8' 5" for the roof width.

Mark

[johnb]

Looks like a scale drawing there. 

11' 6 3/4" to the roof line.

20'6" from end to end (over end sills)

Body 8' wide

8' 5" for the roof width.

Mark

I meant the Arnold  and Bachmann models....

[Mark5]

Oh that. I posted some dimensions earlier in the thread. I'll add a few more key dimensions.

Mark

[Mark5]

Arnold Bobber:
Body Width 10'
Body side length 17'0"
Side height, bottom to roof 7'
Side height, bottom to cupola roof 10"
End sill to End sill 22'
Roof width 10'
Cupola Roof width, just under 9.5'
Top of side over rail 11.5'
Cupola height over rail about 15'

Bachmann Bobber
Body Width 8.5'
Body side length 16 1/2'
Side height, bottom to roof 7 1/2'
Side height, bottom to cupola roof 10"
End sill to End sill 22'
Roof width, just under 9'
Cupola rood width 8.5'
Top of side over rail 11'
Cupola height over rail about 14 1/2'

Mark

[johnb]

Arnold Bobber:
Body Width 10'
Body side length 17'0"
Side height, bottom to roof 7'
Side height, bottom to cupola roof 10"
End sill to End sill 22'
Roof width 10'
Cupola Roof width, just under 9.5'
Top of side over rail 11.5'
Cupola height over rail about 15'

Bachmann Bobber
Body Width 8.5'
Body side length 16 1/2'
Side height, bottom to roof 7 1/2'
Side height, bottom to cupola roof 10"
End sill to End sill 22'
Roof width, just under 9'
Cupola rood width 8.5'
Top of side over rail 11'
Cupola height over rail about 14 1/2'

Mark

thanks Mark, as for PE drawings, they fall under the catagory of close enough for rock n roll...and the Botchmann looks closer. Might try a 0.020" styrene reskin....

[Mark5]

..and the Botchmann looks closer. Might try a 0.020" styrene reskin....

Agreed. 

Might want to consider evergreen siding as well. https://evergreenscalemodels.com/collections/freight-car-siding/products/2020-020-opaque-white-polystyrene-freight-car-siding

Mark