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"The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« on: February 04, 2018, 06:44:55 PM »
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First of all I owe a shout of Thanks! to @svedblen for his terrific thread showing his O-scale covered hoppers, which has inspired me to get moving with this effort.   This is a 2-rail Atlas O model that I have had from some time ago and I had done a preliminary, crude conversion to Proto:48 just to see how it would come out.  Now it's time for me to follow thru and give this the attention that it deserves.  I'll be working on a proper P:48 conversion, plus an upgrade of the details and a weathering job.

I recall when I first unboxed this model, how I was struck by the sheer size and mass that it conveys - particularly to someone like myself who was used mostly to N scale and thought of HO as "big".  Tho I suppose if you model 1:29 like @tom mann  then it's hardly anything to write home about  :D.    But for me it was an eye-opener, hence I had dubbed it "The BEAST".  :D

Enough with the words, here is what the model is looking like today, after the preliminary trucks/couplers conversion:








And here is a quick pic with a similar N scale model, just to highlight the size difference:




(Aside: Apologies for the very rudimentary layout, it has been a WIP for a while now.)


In these pics you can see the conversion of the Atlas O 2-rail truck to Proto:48.   The left-hand truck is my initial conversion. This simply took the existing 100-ton Atlas truck and popped off the factory OW5 wheels, and pressing some NWSL 36-inch, Code 115 wheels in their place on a drill press.   The only tricky part was the plastic bushings, which I had to file down a bit since they were slightly large for the NWSL wheels.   My setup was crude, and I was not always successful at getting the wheels pressed on true (I still have a few useless, wobbly wheelsets sitting in a drawer somewhere... it's only a failure if you don't learn from it  :D).

One striking thing about this is the huge gap between the wheels & sideframes, since the P:48 wheels are much thinner and also closer together in gauge.  The truck still has the factory bolsters so it had not been narrowed.





A couple of things about the right-hand truck.  First of all, it is the newer version of the Atlas O 2-rail truck, which is now being used on Atlas' newer models. (This one came from another model, but you can get them separately too.)  This has much thinner sideframes and it also is cast with foundry markings, which are a very nice touch.   Importantly, the thinner sideframes made it possible to use the NWSL shouldered axle wheelset, which was a lot simpler than having to press wheels on and off the factory axle.  Notice too that the NWSL wheelsets also have a much better axle profile.

The other main part of this conversion was the bolster, which I made from some rectangular brass tubing.  I made it the right length so that it would narrow the truck closer to prototype width, and so that the axle bearing caps could be fit onto the axles.  You do have to enlarge the axle holes in the bearing caps, but that is not a big task.  Here is what it looks like all disassembled:



The brass tubing is obviously hideous and looks nothing like the prototype, but in this case my philosophy rationale is that it will be under the model where no one will ever see it.  I'm not planning to detail the underframe  - altho my hat is always off to those who do so - and if I were then I would be better off going a completely different route and use the Protocraft trucks.  In that vein, just for grins here is a pic of the Protocraft P:48 truck next to an unmodified Atlas 2-rail Ow5 truck:



So the next step for the trucks is to get all the parts cleaned up and ready for some paint.


Another part of this conversion is the car bolster and couplers:



All that I have done so far with the bolster is stack up some washers to get the correct height with the revised truck.  The coupler pocket is interesting: it is a Shapeways part designed specifically for the Berwick.  The couplers are the brass Clouser coupler from Protocraft.  These have the long shank which is appropriate for this kind of car & pocket.  I did have to add some shim material to the shank to get the right thickness & keep it from wobbling too much.  That long brass screw will of course also be trimmed to the right length at some point.  Noe that it's smaller than the actual hole -- one reason for that it to allow a bit of travel for when couplings are being made.  I'll probably lengthen the hole for a bit more travel, but since I don't know what's right for the prototype I'll probably just go with something that looks neat to the eye.   :D

Plenty more to do here so stay tuned!   All thoughts and comments are of course most welcome!  ;)

Cheers,
Ed





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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 07:01:56 PM »
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That coupler pocket sticks out way too far.


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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 07:15:06 PM »
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I checked my last Car Builder's Cyclopedia to see if I could find out anything about the coupler travel.  Unfortunately the last one I have is 1974 so this car isn't in it, but I did find something to maybe compare to.

This PS car has 15" of coupler travel.

http://www.railcarphotos.com/pix/44/NW%20603579_East%20Chicago%20IN_Mike%20Rapchak_2008-08-27_44287.jpg

*I tried to hot link it but TRW won't show it.   :RUEffinKiddingMe:

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 09:09:24 PM »
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Ha. It's O Scale month on The Railwire.

I just bought an O car too and now I'm looking for hardware.

It's a little tougher for me since I need arch bars.

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 10:27:36 PM »
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That coupler pocket sticks out way too far.

Thanks for spotting this, it looks like you are right.  From this proto pic, it should stick out roughly the same distance as the coupler platform:

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=37082

The pocket is made with a slot and screw hole position for that location, so I had just stuck it on there without checking.  (Presumably it matches *some* prototype, but clearly not mine ;) ).  I'll go ahead and mount it further inboard.   What is the proto width of those platforms, some say 8" or 9"?


One other thing, I likely will depart from the proto regarding the car number.   It looks like the prototype #269491 actually has the older MP logo & font:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2159275

However the scheme on this model corresponds to proto #269492, with the UP logo:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=447928

Since one of my goals for this project is to show that Proto:48 doesn't always mean it's necessary to match an exact prototype to have a pleasing model,  I may just decide to live with the one-off number.  To be candid, it will probably depend more on whether or not I can find the right/matching numbering decals (always a question mark in 1:48 scale).


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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 10:29:19 PM »
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I just bought an O car too and now I'm looking for hardware.

It's a little tougher for me since I need arch bars.

Ed, check out the Protocraft trucks page, it has some arch bars depending on whether you want P:48 or NMRA O scale:

http://protocraft.com/Majors.cfm?ID=11

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 12:46:46 AM »
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The small stencil in the lower left corner: "This car excess height.  No running boards".

On a car built in 1979, over a decade after running boards were no longer put on new cars, corner ladders no longer reached the roofs, and crews were no longer allowed on the roof, were they still specifying "No running boards"?
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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 10:18:45 AM »
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Great! I'm looking forward to following along.

The only tricky part was the plastic bushings, which I had to file down a bit since they were slightly large for the NWSL wheels.   My setup was crude, and I was not always successful at getting the wheels pressed on true (I still have a few useless, wobbly wheelsets sitting in a drawer somewhere... it's only a failure if you don't learn from it  :D).
Ask me about wobbly wheelsets. But perseverance prevails  :facepalm:

The brass tubing is obviously hideous and looks nothing like the prototype, but in this case my philosophy rationale is that it will be under the model where no one will ever see it.
A good decision.

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 07:20:21 PM »
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Ask me about wobbly wheelsets. But perseverance prevails  :facepalm:

Some of my 70T conversions are bad enough to derail on turnouts.  When Protocraft re-releases their 70Ts, I will be lining up -- conversions are fun but can get to be a drag after a while.

Perseverance is both a blessing and a curse ;)

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 07:23:22 PM »
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The small stencil in the lower left corner: "This car excess height.  No running boards".

On a car built in 1979, over a decade after running boards were no longer put on new cars, corner ladders no longer reached the roofs, and crews were no longer allowed on the roof, were they still specifying "No running boards"?

Looks like it, afaict from the proto pics.   Seems to be the case even on the one with the UP logo -- that one looks like the odd duck, so I am guessing is some kind of repaint.

I'm starting to think that maybe one of the reasons I had shelved this in the first place was because of the inconsistencies with the graphics.


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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 01:37:16 AM »
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Rd:  Thank you.  It clearly doesn't have a roofwalk, so I guess they can stencil it if they want to!
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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 12:18:24 PM »
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That long brass screw will of course also be trimmed to the right length at some point.  Noe that it's smaller than the actual hole -- one reason for that it to allow a bit of travel for when couplings are being made.  I'll probably lengthen the hole for a bit more travel, but since I don't know what's right for the prototype I'll probably just go with something that looks neat to the eye.   :D

A neat affect you are after there  8)  A few questions out of pure curiousity. I assume you need the shank to travel quite freely inside the coupler box, if you want the complete assembly to contract when coupling. Also meaning it will extend when the engine starts to pull. But in such a case is there not a risk that you introduce the infamous slinky effect? I know, you will not have any long trains, and it is not very far from one end of your layout to the next, but anyway...? How would some kind of suspension, aiming at keeping the shank at a middle position, affect things? A force for the push and pull forces to work against in order to get a natural coupler movement in all phases of your train movements? Or perhaps a spring just amplifies the slinky effect? I'm not saying that I think you should abond the idea, I find it interesting and long to see how it works out. If you pull this off you have truly taken things  to a new level. I am just enjoying myself by thinking ahead, or at least trying to  :D
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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2018, 02:20:03 PM »
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The slinky in N scale come from the inlined centering springs.   As the train rolls, each spring in every car is alternately storing and releasing kinetic energy, which results in resonant oscillations when the system has the right balance of speed, mass, and friction.

You can see that happening in this demo video from a little while back.  Notice how the cars are moving relative to one another on the down grade.  It was easy for me to make that happen on that layout by keeping the train around 5-10 scale mph or so:


Some O-scale couplers do have a centering spring (esp. Kadees) but I assemble them without it.  (I do adjust them with just a little bit of friction, so that they can swing relatively easy but are not floppy.)  Getting rid of inlined springs removes the elements that can store/release energy, so the slack action is closer to what a real train may experience under the right conditions.

This old demo video (from the early days of the GP9 project ;) ) shows a bit of coupling and startup with the slack running in & out:


I always get a kick out of the way the pin drops -- I've never seen that in any other scale.   At some future point I'm going to have to add operating cut levers and magnetic air hoses  ;)

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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 04:23:50 PM »
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So you have it all working already! How cool is that? 8) And the dropping pin is awesome!  :drool:
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Re: "The BEAST" -- An Atlas O Berwick Boxcar conversion to Proto:48
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 07:09:02 PM »
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MAGNETIC glad hands? Wuss! Let's make some working glad hands.

I'm about 70% joking.