Three New Rapido N Scale Locomotives Coming?

[draskouasshat]

I'd bet good money that half or even a quarter of the SD40-2 market is exponentially larger than having a "lock" on the entire 2-10-2 market or countless other examples.

Not that they're infallible but I doubt they're stupid either.

Nice attempt at taking a jab.
Lets compare apples to apples.
How's many runs of the kato mikado were produced? What prices do they still hold? How many runs off the gs4, fef, k4, m1, 2-8-0 abd so on have been produced?
Hell kato has been cranking out the gs4s for 10 years now on multiple reruns.
The fef will follow suit.
Now, ill fully admit that i thought that damned bachmann K4 would be a dud but the sales were huge and prompted a quick second run.
BLI is on run number 2 i believe also.
The horribly wrong concor 2-10-2s even sold well as have the Bachmann light 2-10-2s. The Bachmann em1 also wad a great seller apparently.
How many runs off the sd40-2 have been released? Apparently they didn't sell nearly as well as the mikado or the gs4............. or fef...... 
Here's the problem with your narrows minded observation. N-scale has been the red headed step child.
Modes are difficult to produce, steam especially, so manufacturers choose to make easier and cheaper to produce models,  diesels.
The funny part is, with all of these steam modes becoming available, I've watched many, including quite a few on TRW, backdate their modeling with these new offerings.

Drasko

[draskouasshat]

Did Kato have a run of SD40-2's concurrent with and of the IM releases?

Some duplication is bizarre (see Dave V's excellent post above) but it seems pretty clear the reason why manufacturers make F units is they sell. Try to find any IM F unit new in stock anywhere, and many places are out of the Kato ones as well right now.

N scale steam is a hard proposition, especially for non articulated big engines. Most modelers do not have layouts that will support any 2-10-2, and getting one that is priced reasonably, won't fall apart, and isn't three scale feet longer than it should be is hard.

If we're casting aspersions about "going to HO" to do out some based model railroading, AT&SF 2-10-2's can be ealiy had in HO.

Also, why are we throng shade at folks who don't own a milling machine  to convert non DCC ready locos to DCC? They hobby is model railroading,not metalworking, and a molina machine and taking the time to learn how to use it is a pretty big investment on one aspect of the hobby, when most folks have long to-do lists in areas like structu5res, scenery, benchwork, etc.

The whole 2-10-2 thing was apparently a jab at my signature. I don't care what they produce, as long as it helps further bettering model availability in N.
I build my own Santa fe 2-10-2s, so i dont need to move to ho squirrel.

As for the milling you mentioned. I don't own any milling machines, just a dremel. I believe more people need to try things like that.

Also, we all have mounting lists of modeling things that need to get done wether it be on the layout or on a certain model. I do moody of mt modeling in a hotel room for example. I don't do much at home, unless I'm working on the layout but even then, i might do an hour or two a week on it.

Drasko

[peteski]

Also, why are we throng shade at folks who don't own a milling machine  to convert non DCC ready locos to DCC? They hobby is model railroading,not metalworking, and a molina machine and taking the time to learn how to use it is a pretty big investment on one aspect of the hobby, when most folks have long to-do lists in areas like structures, scenery, benchwork, etc.

Nice try, but you don't need no stinkin' mill!  It is nice to have one, but the job can be done with a file, hacksaw and with a rotary tool (Dremel).  Some people don't even use a vise to hold the chassis while they are working on it (they hold the chassis in their hand).
See https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43994.msg564190#msg564190


Ready-to-run is nice, but actually having to do some real modeling is refreshing too. 

[CBQ Fan]

Here's the problem with your narrows minded observation.

Drasko

Nice, real nice.  Calling people names.

[draskouasshat]

Nice, real nice.  Calling people names.

Im fairly certain that i didn't call you a name in that sentence, just described your observation.......

Drasko <<<< that's a name

[tehachapifan]

....Ready-to-run is nice, but actually having to do some real modeling is refreshing too. 

Agreed! I'm fairly certain that I would lose virtually all interest if everything was 100% RTR.

[draskouasshat]

Agreed! I'm fairly certain that I would lose virtually all interest if everything was 100% RTR.

Exactly!

[CBQ Fan]

Im fairly certain that i didn't call you a name in that sentence, just described your observation.......

Drasko <<<< that's a name

It wasn’t my observation you were responding to. If you are going to belittle people at least get your facts straight. 

[CBQ Fan]

Agreed! I'm fairly certain that I would lose virtually all interest if everything was 100% RTR.

I agree.  For me it about finding the right balance.

[CBQ Fan]

Nice try, but you don't need no stinkin' mill!  It is nice to have one, but the job can be done with a file, hacksaw and with a rotary tool (Dremel).  Some people don't even use a vise to hold the chassis while they are working on it (they hold the chassis in their hand).
See https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43994.msg564190#msg564190


Ready-to-run is nice, but actually having to do some real modeling is refreshing too. 

I need to fire my Dremel up this weekend on couple different projects.

[draskouasshat]

It wasn’t my observation you were responding to. If you are going to belittle people at least get your facts straight.

Can you show us where it hurts?
Seriously dude(yes i called you a dude and that is a name), quit taking my smartass remarks as name calling and belittling.
Lets continue on. What facts do i need to get straight? May i get a list?

Drasko

[Cajonpassfan]

I need to fire my Dremel up this weekend on couple different projects.

Geez, if you follow Peteski's  example, please don't cut your wrists 
Otto K.

[daniel_leavitt2000]

I think there are certain staples that can be produced by several companies and still be successful. FA, E and F units. The GP38-2 and SD40-2 could be made several at different price points and detail level. I have a few Kato SD40-2, but jumped on the IM units because they are available in Conrail, have sound and great detail. I will probably end up with a BLI SD40-2 when they come out a well.

And I don't think eBay is a viable answer to production. If Walthers decided to crank out FA units... The would be no need to have the Rapido ones. But they are not.

[davefoxx]

Can you show us where it hurts?
Seriously dude(yes i called you a dude and that is a name), quit taking my smartass remarks as name calling and belittling.
Lets continue on. What facts do i need to get straight? May i get a list?

Drasko

Personally, I don't appreciate your tone.  If you want to do some actual modeling, great!  But, there's no need to belittle those of us that don't have the skills, the time, or the money.  Model railroading roots certainly required modelers to build what they wanted to run.  Today, there are many RTR options.  There's nothing to be ashamed of by taking something out of the box and running it.  Model railroading also includes ops, which many people are into who couldn't care less about prototypical accuracy, rivet counting, or fine details that will just get broken off during ops sessions.  For them, RTR is a quick to get up and running.  Me?  I'm more of a roundy-round guy, but I want to JFRT.  I don't need you attempting to shame me for: (1) buying RTR products, (2) running RTR products; and (3) modeling in HO.

I appreciate your observation that model railroading should involve some actual modeling.  But, what's the harm in RTR?  Just because its available doesn't mean you can't still scratchbuild your own models.  Besides, I would guarantee that much of those RTR products fund other projects that you want to see produced.  RTR shouldn't need to bother the scratchbuilder, but it helps those of us who can't.  So, while I don't disagree with your desire to roll your own, you don't need to belittle the rest of us.  Lighten up, Francis.

DFF

[DKS]

Personally, I don't appreciate your tone.  If you want to do some actual modeling, great!  But, there's no need to belittle those of us that don't have the skills, the time, or the money.  Model railroading roots certainly required modelers to build what they wanted to run.  Today, there are many RTR options.  There's nothing to be ashamed of by taking something out of the box and running it.  Model railroading also includes ops, which many people are into who couldn't care less about prototypical accuracy, rivet counting, or fine details that will just get broken off during ops sessions.  For them, RTR is a quick to get up and running.  Me?  I'm more of a roundy-round guy, but I want to JFRT.  I don't need you attempting to shame me for: (1) buying RTR products, (2) running RTR products; and (3) modeling in HO.

I appreciate your observation that model railroading should involve some actual modeling.  But, what's the harm in RTR?  Just because its available doesn't mean you can't still scratchbuild your own models.  Besides, I would guarantee that much of those RTR products fund other projects that you want to see produced.  RTR shouldn't need to bother the scratchbuilder, but it helps those of us who can't.  So, while I don't disagree with your desire to roll your own, you don't need to belittle the rest of us.  Lighten up, Francis.

DFF

Thank you, sir. Well put.

I also hope the mods see fit to lock this thread asap, before it gets uglier than it already is.