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sirenwerks

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Modern box cars in 1974
« on: August 21, 2017, 06:53:54 PM »
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With my library still packed up, I gotta ask a question I know I could eventually answer myself - which of the currently available Railbox-style outside braced modern box cars would have been on the rails in 1974? Paint jobs not withstanding, as those are easy to replace...
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 07:22:08 PM »
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The PS  5277 waffle side cars that Exactrail makes were built in and around '74. Of course you're limited on road names with these.

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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 09:11:22 PM »
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Quote from: gbcaboose on August 21, 2017, 07:22:08 PM
The PS  5277 waffle side cars that Exactrail makes were built in and around '74. Of course you're limited on road names with these.

Mike

Also Berwick 5277:

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/rs/dti18848.jpg
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 09:45:02 PM »
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Pretty sure the Atlas ACF Precision Design rib-side car too.
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2017, 09:59:49 PM »
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Quote from: nickelplate759 on August 21, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
Pretty sure the Atlas ACF Precision Design rib-side car too.

Yes, they showed up around 1972

Also the Atlas Trainman 50'6" boxcar and the Intermountain PS 5277 date from 1974.
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 10:18:40 PM »
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Quote from: cjm413 on August 21, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
Also Berwick 5277:

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/rs/dti18848.jpg


OK, Athearn Berwick has a funny end on it and the ExactRail has what presents as the late end, except it says early. Which one, if either, is the early car?
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2017, 10:30:55 PM »
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Quote from: sirenwerks on August 21, 2017, 10:18:40 PM

OK, Athearn Berwick has a funny end on it and the ExactRail has what presents as the late end, except it says early. Which one, if either, is the early car?

Athearn is the only company that makes a Berwick car in N... Its not a great representation but the best we have.

The Exactrail car is an Evans/SIECO car with non terminating ends, Athearn makes an Evans/SIECO boxcar with terminating ends...

The Athearn Car dates to at least 1973
The Exactrail car is later earliest ones I can find are ~1977-1978 
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2017, 10:35:21 PM »
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Quote from: Missaberoad on August 21, 2017, 10:30:55 PM
Athearn is the only company that makes a Berwick car in N... Its not a great representation but the best we have.

The Exactrail car is an Evans/SIECO car with non terminating ends, Athearn makes an Evans/SIECO boxcar with terminating ends...

The Athearn Car dates to at least 1973
The Exactrail car is later earliest ones I can find are ~1977-1978

MDC/Athearn Berwick could be used as a stand-in for an early PS 5277 with 12 posts

http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=sou523353&o=sou
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 11:28:44 PM »
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LOL  +40 years ago is 'modern'?   gosh I am getting old...  :D :ashat:

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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 11:45:27 PM »
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Quote from: ednadolski on August 21, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
LOL  +40 years ago is 'modern'?   gosh I am getting old...  :D :ashat:

Ed

Well it would have been modern in 1974...  :D
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2017, 11:59:50 PM »
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OK, back on track... What about the other currently available cars. Exactrail, FVM, ... any of those good for '74?
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2017, 12:01:48 AM »
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Quote from: Missaberoad on August 21, 2017, 11:45:27 PM
Well it would have been modern in 1974...  :D

Pullman-Standard had already built their 200000th car by 1974

[urlhttp://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3708689][/url]
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 12:06:43 AM »
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Quote from: cjm413 on August 22, 2017, 12:01:48 AM
Pullman-Standard had already built their 200000th car by 1974

[urlhttp://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3708689][/url]

True... not sure how that fact makes a 5077 or 5277 any less modern at the time tho...  :D
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2017, 09:14:07 AM »
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Speaking specifically Railbox ...

RBOX 10000-10999 1000 ACF 10-74=2-75 XAF10 Plate B

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=16470

Checked up on the Atlas Railbox FMC 5077s. The range Atlas had done just makes it in for my era (1975):

RBOX 17700-19499 blt 9/75 thru 2/76
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Re: Modern box cars in 1974
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2017, 11:36:02 AM »
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Quote from: sirenwerks on August 21, 2017, 11:59:50 PM
OK, back on track... What about the other currently available cars. Exactrail, FVM, ... any of those good for '74?

The answer depends on what could be construed to be a "Railbox-style outside braced modern box car"....

If X-post construction is the only criteria, PRR's X58's (ESM) would be an easy answer:

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X58

However, they do have several features that make them "un-Railbox-like", including, but not limited to insulation, loading devices, sliding sill underframes, etc that differentiated them from the "no frills" RBOX cars.  Externally, the X58 also looked different from any given RBOX car, given they had plug doors rather than sliding doors, Dreadnaught ends vs non-terminating ends, high-mounted handbrakes, etc.

Someone else mentioned the ACF Precision Design X-post car.   Although these did have sliding doors and could be built without any "extras" such as sliding sill underframes (e.g. PC's X71) one could argue that the lack of non-terminating ends also rules them out as a "Railbox-style" box.

Even if one strictly looks at cars that were owned by Railbox, this includes different builders, different sizes (5077 cuft Plate B vs. 5277 cuft Plate C), ABOX, TBOX, etc.
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