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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #180 on: August 05, 2017, 03:39:08 PM »
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@C855B found this on Don Strack's Website

from 1971

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Ore Shipment Moves Over New Track -- Union Pacific raised its operating track mileage from a little under 9,473 miles to a little over 9,473 October 27, when the first train crossed over a section of rail completed just minutes before. Built to accommodate a unit train which made its initial trip October 24, the 751-foot Thenard Connection in the Wilmington district of Los Angeles joins the UP's San Pedro branch with Southern Pacific trackage leading to Los Angeles harbor.

The first train carried the second of a planned 100-a-year, 5,000-ton shipments of iron ore to the Port of Los Angeles bulk loading facility. The ore is from the Standard Slag Company's mine at Beck Springs, about 20 miles southeast of Tecopa, California. John Harmon, the Standard Slag Company's western division manager at Reno, Nevada, said the ore has been sold to Tonan Trading Company, Tokyo, agents for Japanese steel mills.

Trucked 49 miles from the mine in northeast San Bernardino County to Cima, California, the ore is loaded into a 50-car "unit train". A 15-hour, 280-mile rail haul brings it to the bulk loader at Berth 49 for transfer to the holds of ore-carrying vessels.

UP has ordered 55 new ore cars especially for the service at a cost of about $900,000 and has assigned four 3,600 horsepower locomotive units to handle the train. Until delivery of the new cars at year's end, the ore is being hauled in gondolas.

The train is known as the "CUW" (Cima Unit West). The CUW with its opposite and eastbound empty train, the CUE; is one of seven UP unit trains in coal or ore service and the second unit train in export service.
December 1971
The following comes from the December 1971 issue of Pacific News:

   
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NEW UNIT TRAIN -- In addition to Southern Pacific's ore trains from Eagle Mountain and Union Pacific's unit coal train from Utah, the U.P. has begun bringing in iron ore from the Standard Slag Company's mine at Beck, Ca. The ore is mostly magnetite with some hematite and will be sold to the Tonan Trading Company of Tokyo who are the agents for different Japanese steel mills. The 15-hour, 280-mile rail haul originates at Cima, California, where the ore is loaded into the train known as the "CUW" (Cima Unit West). The current schedule includes 8 hours for loading, 24 hours for unloading and four hours for servicing at Union Pacific's East Los Angeles Yard. Currently gondolas are in used with 55 new ore cars on special order for the service at a cost of about $900,000. Consist of the train on November 9th was SD24 #421, SD24B's 418B, 425B, 440B and GP9 #322. There are a planned 100 5000-ton shipments per year, to be unloaded at Berth 49 in San Pedro. (reported by Leon Callaway, Pacific News, December 1971, page 15)

Also Railpictures has some photos of the trains in service, SD24's were the regular power...

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/388084/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/443079/

The train was short lived, and was involved in quite a dramatic runaway derailment...


Edit:

There was also the Comstock to Geneva ore trains but they used different equipment afaik...

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/459420/
http://www.railpictures.net/photo/421796/

Edit again: lets see 55 cars at 30 kopecks a piece that's an expensive tiny little train  :D



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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #181 on: August 05, 2017, 04:07:48 PM »
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Here's the Reserve/Northshore Mining cars that are close aswell... Hard to find an online pic of these...

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7640/16389184673_f77997d90a_b.jpg
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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #182 on: August 05, 2017, 04:11:29 PM »
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I've found it not an especially good reference for <1990 modeling, but there are some gems hidden there if you look hard enough.

Hint - search for "Ron Hawkins", and you'll be pleased with the results

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #183 on: August 05, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
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That unit looks to be a Phase II, which is great for me, however when I asked on the Atlas facebook page, they said it will be a Phase I unit. Or they just going to paint Phase II units as Phase I being the loco is part of the Trainman line.

Good question. In HO, Atlas did a Phase I and a Phase II - both in the Trainman line.

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #184 on: August 05, 2017, 04:24:45 PM »
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Wow... sure looks like it. Keenbrook. Hmm. Would like to know what customer and mine this was servicing. Totally not familiar with this car and that's where I used to live and was actively railfanning at the time. Never saw a UP ore train through Cajon. Coal trains for Kaiser service using H-100-x hoppers and "K"-marked cabooses, yes, but never ore.

The only mill in SoCal I was aware of that processed raw ore was Kaiser Steel in Fontana (north of Bloomington, i.e., West Colton). The mill was served by Santa Fe (2nd District) and possibly the SP (I don't recall a spur from the SP mainline, though), and the ore was from Eagle Mountain via the SP using SP ore cars. In so many words, the picture of the lone UP ore car in Cajon makes zero sense to me.

Bachmann's execution is hamfisted, anyway. The short ladder is missing a rung, and where is the underbody detail? I expect just a little more attention to the fine points for $33, not something I have to re-detail. :x

"Hamfisted" would be a compliment to their $28.00 HO All-Door Box

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=2279&zenid=7ikgp4qe7q56e2u8a7uurrbu92

Prototype

http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/box/9855.jpg

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #185 on: August 05, 2017, 04:25:55 PM »
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Good question. In HO, Atlas did a Phase I and a Phase II - both in the Trainman line.

Mark

I heard they are doing both the Phase I and Phase IIc in N

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #186 on: August 05, 2017, 04:54:46 PM »
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I heard they are doing both the Phase I and Phase IIc in N

That would be very good news, the Phase II wold be a good staring point for a Kennecott high cab or the high cabs rebuilt to regular cabs for the MKT.

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #187 on: August 05, 2017, 05:01:33 PM »
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... found this on Don Strack's Website

from 1971...

Aha! Thanks! It figures Don would have something on it. I really need to develop the habit of going there first. Yes, the train must have been very short-lived. I wasn't regularly railfanning Cajon, at least not independently, until 1973-1974. So no wonder I never saw it.

Looks like a train I would want to model. It's perfect for RR, locale, era and train size for my layout. Not to mention all the SD24s you can eat. :D

Since the B'mann UP paint is WRONG for these cars, I would also have to repaint. If I'm going to repaint, and re-detail, I would be time and a lot of money ahead to strip one down to modify as a master for resin casting. :|
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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #188 on: August 05, 2017, 05:06:57 PM »
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Here's the Reserve/Northshore Mining cars that are close aswell... Hard to find an online pic of these...

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7640/16389184673_f77997d90a_b.jpg

Doesn't help when they don't have reporting marks.   :P

I tried to look in ORER to see how they compared to the UP cars but I don't think these private mining companies list their cars.

Found this -



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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #189 on: August 05, 2017, 05:30:56 PM »
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That would be very good news, the Phase II wold be a good staring point for a Kennecott high cab or the high cabs rebuilt to regular cabs for the MKT.

MKT 383 was the only one that was rebuilt with a "regular" cab (from a retired MILW SD45), the rest had the original KCC cabs cut down, but due to the low profile cab roof, had a "bump" added to access the electrical cabinet

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=529426

Shapeways cab (for HO)

https://www.shapeways.com/product/GBNN7U62P/mkt-kennecott-gp39-2-cab-nose?optionId=63227417
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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #190 on: August 05, 2017, 06:30:32 PM »
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The late Phase II GP39-2 shown is the picture is going to be pretty much useless for a Phase I GP39-2.

Note the standard anticlimber, 88" short hood vs. 81" short hood, gap between the cab and clean air room (and different doors as a result), exhaust silencer, etc.

Phase 1a GP38-2 with dynamic brakes and turbocharger from an early Phase II GP40-2 would be a closer match.

http://www.atlasrr.com/Images/NLocomotives/ngp382/0508/47649_TQ.jpg

Thanks, I did know there are a lot of versions of this loco, but didn't know what to look for.

Well I had been planning to combine GP40-2 and GP38 parts before a GP39-2 was announced, so maybe still!..But, hopefully they are doing 2 different phases..???? :?  Odd how they have a sample for the later phase, but announced roadnames that are early phase..  :?..I personally, would prefer the earlier version..

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #191 on: August 05, 2017, 06:43:52 PM »
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Thought I recognized it. Could also be a stand-in for the cars SP used on the Eagle Mountain Kaiser Steel trains. UP also had a similar style, but I don't know in what service, as the cars for the Atlantic City (WY) - SLC trains were closer to the DM&IR style produced by Atlas and Roco.

I commented previously about Bachmann's pricing for these.  :x

I looked in my SP Freight Car Vol 1 and this car appears to be dead-on match for a SP G-100-1 ore car. It has the same rib patterns, sill supports,  ladder styles, end stiffeners. This is the same car that MDC/Roundhouse did for years in HO (I got one at work holding business cards). I looked at pictures of PRR G-38's and it definitely doesn't match as that car has all thick ribs on the sides .

here's link to Tony Thompson's Modeling the SP page - scroll a down a bit to the 6th image...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjK8fi_k8HVAhUN1GMKHawNDp4QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelingthesp.blogspot.com%2F2014%2F05%2F&psig=AFQjCNEvBxn5qb0PqxPPRWlie6I-2PSF0A&ust=1502058855837657
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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #192 on: August 05, 2017, 07:31:49 PM »
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I looked in my SP Freight Car Vol 1 and this car appears to be dead-on match for a SP G-100-1 ore car. It has the same rib patterns, sill supports,  ladder styles, end stiffeners. This is the same car that MDC/Roundhouse did for years in HO (I got one at work holding business cards). I looked at pictures of PRR G-38's and it definitely doesn't match as that car has all thick ribs on the sides .

here's link to Tony Thompson's Modeling the SP page - scroll a down a bit to the 6th image...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjK8fi_k8HVAhUN1GMKHawNDp4QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmodelingthesp.blogspot.com%2F2014%2F05%2F&psig=AFQjCNEvBxn5qb0PqxPPRWlie6I-2PSF0A&ust=1502058855837657

More pics here:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/gon/g100-01.htm

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #193 on: August 05, 2017, 08:36:07 PM »
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I took closeups of the new ore car today. Along with the SD7.    I didn't think about it until afterwards but I didn't  notice the ore car being too light.  The Bachmann O gauge eggliner is probably one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while, which means I'm probably going to create one in N someday  :lol: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55274053@N07/

The fox valley covered hoppers of red caboose heritage look very good.  The roof looks better than an intermountain car.  Atlas is doing an early GP39-2 too.  So that explains the road name selection in the announcement.  The z flex track looks good.  No plans to do any z locomotives or cars. I think  Athearn's SD70 shell will be nice.  It had been dropped a few times so I had to use my imagination a little.   Atlas' SF boxcar had etched coupler lift bars that were gone by the end of the day.   I guess that's what happens when delicate items are within reach of small children.

The highlight of the day was meeting John Sing for the first time.   

More news tomorrow.

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Re: NMRA Convention News / Announcments?
« Reply #194 on: August 05, 2017, 08:39:54 PM »
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Atlas' SF boxcar had etched coupler lift bars that were gone by the end of the day.   I guess that's what happens when delicate items are within reach of small children.

. . .  or careless or clumsy adult modelers.  :D
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