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Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 03:36:44 PM »
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Hey there bright young ladies and gentlemen, can you tell me what this "thing" is, circled in red in the photo below?
Yes, I know it looks like some sort of air tank. But also note what appears to be a linkage coming out the front connected to a lever (identified by the arrow). So is this some sort of piston? A power reverse?
Thank you for your insightful comments.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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Brake cylinder?
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June 26, 2017, 03:59:42 PM »
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Defiantly power reverse since it's connected to the reversing linkage. Kato FEF might have one like that.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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Power reverse.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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So what type of valve gear is that then?
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 05:16:01 PM »
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Blasphemy.
See below.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 05:33:05 PM »
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I don't think this is Walschaerts valve gear. Here's more of the side showing the valve gear. There's no eccentric crank, or the union or expansion links. I've been wondering just what the heck this valve gear actually is, now that you mention it.
EDIT: So, I guessed it must be Stephenson owing to the lack of any of the standard Baker or Walschaert's linkages, and
apparently Stephenson is correct. That's what the Shrenk & Frey book says ("Northern Pacific Classic Steam Era").
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 05:41:25 PM »
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Well, I think it might be Stephenson because it matches the Valve gear of most of the NP's Q Class 4-6-2's and they had Stephenson Valve gear.
I'll ask my Uncle.
Edited after thought and picture review but no conversation with Uncle, yet.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 05:44:49 PM »
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I'm not doubting that it's a power reverse, but Chris, it doesn't look connected to the piston rod to me, at least not at that angle in the photo. Unless I don't know what I'm looking at which is very likely.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 05:51:08 PM »
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It looks to me like a positioner control device for the power cylinder below. I used such things on industrial hydraulic and pneumatic cylinders in industrial applications. It will position and hold a balanced position on a cylinder based on a signal pressure... If that's what it is.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 06:05:45 PM »
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It is Stephenson valve gear. Notice the little rod above the valve slider that goes into the valve box above the piston.
The back of that little rod connects through a linkage to cams on the inside on a driver axle. That's how the valve is timed to the drivers.
I wasn't completely certain because I'm no expert at this, but the Shrenk & Frey book is a very trustworthy source and they confirm it.
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All the valve gear is between the frame rails hidden from view.
This video shows it, even the reverse lever.
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http://media.finedictionary.com/pictures/9/47/12041.jpg
They are just using steam assist to move the "lever", like power steering.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 26, 2017, 06:12:01 PM »
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I would think that since the eccentrics are hidden, this would be Stephenson Valve Gear (or something similar).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson_valve_gear
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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whoops...yeah I edited my post. I'm not sure why I said Walschaerts when that is clearly the easiest to identify.
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Re: Q: Identify this appliance on steam loco please (for the 0-6-0 project)
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June 27, 2017, 08:46:31 AM »
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If you look at NP 0-6-0 1070 it has a reverse power reverse.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/6/62/Northern_Pacific_1070.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140112212719
This one too:
http://transport.castlegraphics.com/albums/railroad/steam/np/switcher/np_1081_0-6-0_tacoma_wa_may15_1936.jpg
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