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How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« on: March 22, 2017, 12:28:32 AM »
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Someone had a brass Kumata SD40-2 that needed some help.   This loco has a serious design flaw in that it does not have strong enough insulated screws- and not enough screws total.  In order to fix the loco, you must drill and tap the frame for new screws....but you need custom length screws too!

Since this is a procedure I actually do a lot, I thought I would share how I do it.
No doubt most of you do this, but it may help someone.

So I've drilled the SD40-2 frame, tapped it, and screwed in some 1-72 screws.  But they are way too long.



Now we are skipping a step.  I experimented to find out just the right size screw I needed.  Many times when I cut screw, the precise length does not have to be down to the millimeter.  But this time it does.

So by experimenting, I determined that a nut and three Micro-Trains washers (you have been saving all those sprues over the years haven't you) would give me what I need.

Now the trick here is the nut.  When you cut a screw you obviously tear up the threads.  So I use a nut to straighten things out after the cut.  So you have to remember to place the nut on FIRST.

So this is ready for the motor tool.  I have simply used wire cutters and files at other times, but a motor tool is so much better.

 


Motor tool cut the screw off even with the nut.  Nice and smooth.




This is the screw exactly after I took the nut and washers off.  It is NOT useable.  The problem is that the last thread is razor thin and will bend if I try to use it.   If I were to insert it and try to start screwing, the last thread would fold over and foul up the process.   The goal it to get rid of that razor fine material.




So, using an optivisor and a #11 Xacto knife, I stick the blade just under the lip of the last thread and lift up.  It comes free VERY easily.




But I need to remove more.  It is still too thin.  So I do it again.

This is the second lift.



Then I do it a third time.  This one is tougher because the metal is thicker.  Good.  That's what I want.
So after the third lift of the blade, this is what's left.   This screw is ready.  Notice that I have removed about 1/3 of the last thread- maybe even a little more.
Now, when this screw is inserted into its hole, the thread will properly engage without fouling.




And here is why these screws had to be a precise length.  Much longer and they might obstruct the trucks.




And here is the end result of all this work.  A better stronger (functional) gearbox.



Now you might ask--- why not cut off the screws when they were screwed into the frame?
Good question.  It would be possible.
But the risk is that first turn when removing the screws.  Remember the threads are damaged.  So they MIGHT do some damage to the threads in the frame.   I'd rather use a nut since I have plenty on them.

Now obviously, if i have a LOT of these screws to make, this process would not be all that easy.

And in my EP-2 project, I needed LOTS of smaller screws.   So I cut brass sheets, soldered them to the thickness I wanted, drilled and tapped for a tiny metric 1.4 mm diameter screw and created a cutting jig.

You can see this little jig can make screws of two different sizes.




These little screws are made of steel and thus a little tougher to work with than brass (or plastic) but the principle is all the same.




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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 12:32:11 AM »
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Excellent writeup Ron!
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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 12:41:50 AM »
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I have a thick brass plate with a #90 hole tapped in it. I just poke out as much as I want to cut off. Wack it off with a Dremel. Then remove the screw. Unscrewing it cleans the threads.

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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 01:03:01 AM »
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For cutting screws to mount MT 1025 couplers I have a nut soldered to a piece of 3/32x3/16 rectangular brass tubing.  Not exact, but it comes very close to the thickness of the box and floor on most cars.  I haven't tried the thread-fixing step. but most of my screws are going into zinc alloy underframes, which seem to be much harder than the screw, so I doubt that I'll hurt the hole threads any.
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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 04:57:55 AM »
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As I see it, the thread-fixing thing is for ease of starting the screw rather than for preventing thread damage.  I like it.
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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 01:46:54 AM »
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True, in Ron's case, but it would also protect the hole if screwing into plastic or other soft material.  That's what I was thinking of.  I've never really had a problem starting the screw in hard metal, maybe because the hole acts as a die?
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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 02:38:50 AM »
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True, in Ron's case, but it would also protect the hole if screwing into plastic or other soft material.  That's what I was thinking of.  I've never really had a problem starting the screw in hard metal, maybe because the hole acts as a die?

I would have hard time starting a flat-ended 00-90 or 00-120 screw which is 1/8" long or less with a slotted head when the threaded hole is on a flat surface. The screw will wonder around even slip off the screwdriver blade.

While I like the simple fix Ron demonstrated, I usually take it one step further and lightly bevel the entire end of the screw. It is an extra step but that way the screw is really easy to start (it actually drops into the threaded hole).
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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 06:17:02 AM »
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While I like the simple fix Ron demonstrated, I usually take it one step further and lightly bevel the entire end of the screw. It is an extra step but that way the screw is really easy to start (it actually drops into the threaded hole).

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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 01:50:59 PM »
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While I like the simple fix Ron demonstrated, I usually take it one step further and lightly bevel the entire end of the screw. It is an extra step but that way the screw is really easy to start (it actually drops into the threaded hole).

+1.  I cut them off (with a nut already on there), and then just go round and round the end with a file to taper the end a little, and then back the nut off to clean the treads.   I have never thought about that little thin vestage of a thread on the very end causing a problem.  I suppose I've been removing it anyway by tapering the end.

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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 03:04:04 PM »
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Excellent thread. Thanks Ron for starting it! :D


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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 04:26:39 PM »
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This is the good stuff.  Well done!   :D

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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 04:51:24 PM »
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Hmm... who knew there
was a science to it...

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Re: How to trim a screw to custom length- esp small ones
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2017, 04:52:21 PM »
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Hmm... who knew there
was a science to it...



Hmm... Scientists did.


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