Any idea what I could use to model this 2-6-2?

[PGE_Modeller]

With an 11' driving wheelbase instead of the prototype's 9', the Bachmann engine has an extra 12" between drivers, all of which is accounted for by the increased driver diameter (51" instead of 44") and the larger flanges of the model.  The result is that, visually, the driver spacing looks pretty good even though it is not strictly to scale.  I had to make a similar adjustment in my own mind with regard to PGE 4 or 5, although the driver diameter discrepancy was only 3" not 7".  Consider, also, that a major visual difference is the fact that the firebox sits between the rear drivers on 1077 and the throat sheet is about 10" forward of the rear driver centre while, on the Bachmann engine, the firebox is full width and the throat sheet is about 3' behind the rear driver centre.  Correcting this will require re-motoring the engine as the stock Bachmann motor (at least on my earlier version of the engine) is what determines the width of the firebox.  The possibility of fitting the Bachmann can motor (8 X 10 X 16.5 mm) from a 44 or 70 tonner, with the shaft cut off at one end, comes immediately to mind.  The motor shaft would need to be sleeved to increase its diameter to 1.5 mm in order to fit the original worm but it looks as though it would fit and allow the narrowing of the firebox.  Alternatively, there is an 8 X 10 X 12.75 mm motor available from Branchlines in the UK with a 1 mm diameter shaft or the motor from the Kato "Critter" chassis available from Plaza Japan (8 X 10 X 12 mm), either of which would allow the cab to move forward between 2 - 2 1/2 scale feet and be a closer approximation to the position of 1077's cab.

Cheers,

[peteski]

Peteski, any suggestions for a place to start looking for. European loco? I don't even know any brands.

Edit:

Research showed Fleischmann and Roco as possibilities but I couldn't see any in either company's line up that was small enough. Beautiful models though.

I was thinking about something like these:


This is a photo of the H0 model, but I'm pretty sure Fleischmann made that loco in N too.

[craigolio1]

Mmagliaro and Greg. Thanks for your detailed summary of the differences and info on the fire box. I didn't even know what parts of the loco those were. Haha. Having the smaller motor would make it easier to lower the boiler as well as I believe the size of the motor is also dictating the height of te boiler.

Peteski, I saw that one but figured the inerds would fill up the whole boiler making it a major modification to get the much smaller boiler and cab of 1077 to fit. I love the spoked pilot and trailing truck wheels though. The detail on that loco is outstanding.

Craig

[peteski]

Peteski, I saw that one but figured the inerds would fill up the whole boiler making it a major modification to get the much smaller boiler and can of 1077 to fit. I love the spoked pilot and trailing truck though. The detail on that loco is outstanding.

Craig

Um, we've both been fooled. Looking at that 2-6-2 loco carefully, it is also an H0 model. Fleischmann often uses a photo of an H0 model with carefully Photoshopped Rapido couplers to represent N scale model. They seem to do that often. While they do make outstanding models, the details are way too fine for a true N scale model. The valve gear is too fine and the spokes of the drivers are also too fine to truly be N scale.

[craigolio1]

Those rats. Oh wait. Almost all of the other manufacturers do that too. Oh don't worry, it'll look juuuuuust like the picture.

[BCR 570]

Tim, what gives? You need 3716r not 1077. (Ex-CPR 2-8-0 3716 pull the Provincial Museum Train on the mainland. Too heavy for the Island where 1077 stepped in.)

Craig:

Yes, 3716 hauled the train on the mainland and 1077 hauled it on the island, but I have two friends with N Scale E&N layouts, both of whom have expressed interest in hosting the train on occasion, so to do that right I need 1077.  I have a recent version of the Bachmann 2-6-2 which runs well but can't pull the train.  As Greg has pointed out, the biggest challenge is how to get the trailing truck much closer to the drivers.  The Bachmann slope back tender chassis is very close for 1077; obviously new locomotive and tender bodies are needed but I suspect that it is probably the best option.  I have a few more cars to build for the train before tackling the locomotives.

Tim

[SkipGear]

Getting it to pull a train is easy. Move the traction tired driver to the #3 location. The loco balances heavy on the tail but they put the TT on #2 axle in the recent ones. My detailed and tweaked 0-6-0 will pull 12 cars up a 2% grade.

[davefoxx]

If it helps anybody, MBK is offering a Bachmann painted and unlettered 2-6-2 Prairie and Tender in its clearance sale for $59.99.  But, if you act by February 8, 2016, you can take an additional 10% off.  See the website for the promo code.  There's five in stock as of the time of this post.

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Bachmann-N-2-6-2-Prairie-Tender-Painted-p/bac-51598.htm

Hope this helps,
DFF

[brokemoto]

Correcting this will require re-motoring the engine as the stock Bachmann motor (at least on my earlier version of the engine) is what determines the width of the firebox.  The possibility of fitting the Bachmann can motor (8 X 10 X 16.5 mm) from a 44 or 70 tonner, with the shaft cut off at one end, comes immediately to mind.

The latest version of the B-mann USRA 0-6-0/"Prairie" does have a smaller motor.  I have not removed the shell from the chassis, but the motor does appear to be at least similar to the one in the industrial diesels.   The newest version runs much better than the older.  The motor does not stick out the back of the cab, either.  B-mann did relocate the traction tyre on the newer version.

[160pennsy]

The latest version of the B-mann USRA 0-6-0/"Prairie" does have a smaller motor.  I have not removed the shell from the chassis, but the motor does appear to be at least similar to the one in the industrial diesels.   The newest version runs much better than the older.  The motor does not stick out the back of the cab, either.  B-mann did relocate the traction tyre on the newer version.

Found these photos of the newest version (one with the smaller motor that does not stick out the back of the cab) Bachmann 2-6-0 Prairie on Spookshow's website. For those of us who shop around online checking for best price, Is there any way to distinguish via Bachmann part number, the old motor type vs the newest version?

[craigolio1]

Compare the image I have here to the model above.  It looks to me like the cab need to be extended forward.  With the cab being larger on 1077, I think it might cover the motor.  This would allow the weight in the boiler to be filed down and the boiler lowered without having to touch the motor.

Craig

[craigolio1]

What about this one:

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=265_372_632&products_id=4845

It's a smaller loco, the boiler has the right shape.  Heavy modifications to the boiler are needed obviously but that's the case anyway. 

It's hard to find info on it.  It's not even listed in Bachmann's parts page.

[peteski]

What about this one:

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=265_372_632&products_id=4845

It's a smaller loco, the boiler has the right shape.  Heavy modifications to the boiler are needed obviously but that's the case anyway. 

It's hard to find info on it.  It's not even listed in Bachmann's parts page.

The wheel spacing (and probably diameter) is all wrong.  These aren't hard to find. BLW should have them in stock.  It is one of the newer Bachmann locos (uses a coreless motor).

[Chris333]

Seriously look at the Kato c12. It is a 2-6-2 will all wheel pickup, even the two 2's pick up power.
http://s.webry.info/sp/barrack-model.at.webry.info/201507/article_2.html

[randgust]

Found some C12 dimensions.... critical ones anyway:

http://homepage3.nifty.com/EF57/engines/C12.htm

Chris, that mechanism is seriously impressive.   Wow.