Author Topic: Best Of Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley  (Read 33354 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2016, 06:10:55 PM »
+2
Thanks for the encouraging comments. I create some of the decals myself; Canada Cartage was one of mine as were some of the ESSO... some are RTR or decals bought from others.... I try and add what I remember as a child in the 60's and 70's....

I added the rock scenic block to the west end; details in Weekend Update..

Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

Narlie

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 97
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +16
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2016, 11:08:44 AM »
0
Great little layout! Where did you get the signal bridge?

Dave B ;)
PAT Montreal

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2016, 04:29:04 PM »
0
It's a very slightly modified Model Power structure..... really.....
Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #48 on: February 29, 2016, 07:48:55 PM »
+3
The past two weeks have been all about building the mill module. With about 60" of a 75" long module to utilize both the challenge and potential are great. I wanted a mill that met the following criteria:

1. Provided adequate switching challenges and opportunities.
2. Could handle some limited in bound chip traffic. While I knew I didn't have the space for woodland gp's nor a full unloading facility I wanted some receiving functionality.
3, Covered rail shipping for at least three 50' boxcars and immediate storage for empties and full cars near by - 10 car minimum.
4. Small yard for marshalling inbound and outbound cars
5. Proper flow for a mill... logical inbound chip and recycled receiving near the digesters and hydro pulpers. Process lines to two independent paper machines i n separate buildings. A rail and truck shipping building - adequate trailer parking.
6. Extra mill buildings - lab, mtce, power plant, etc....
7. Mill locomotive servicing location
8. Small flag stop.

A number of plans were tried but the truth of the matter was that buildings would dictate the fine tuning of the track plan. It was thus I set out to build the mill; mindful of those priorities.... He's the final building layout. Virtually everything is scratch built or heavily kit bashed. The Walthers Superior mill kit was used but bears virtually no resemblance to what they intended it to...Scribed metal siding styrene, of brick paper on foam core board was used everywhere else. Roads are indicated by cork; Smooth it was soon be applied.

Here's the buildings of the Domtar Packaging Containerboard Mill. For the record the mill has two machines, both trim 221 inches. Machine 2 runs light weight linerboard, brown and whites (using bleached pulp brought in; no bleach plant) with a basis weight range of 23 lb to 37.5 lbs. Machine 3 runs medium to heavy weight containerboard, 35 to 69 lb.



The wet end buildings include chip and furnish receiving, stock prep and digesting and then hydro pulping.



Process lines move stock to the various holding tanks at machine side. Machine 3 is located in the large back building. In the foreground is the testing lab and innovation center.



The shipping department handles rolls from both machines. A yard for trailers and storage tracks for ail cars is found here.



Machine 2 is located in the blue building behind the shipping department. An edit rewinder is also found in the shipping area. The old brick building beside the blue machine building was once the location of paper machine 1 before it was decommissioned in 1963. Now maintenance uses the building for shops and stores.



The mains go under machine 2's process lines and head to the Kanto module. This idea was given us by a member here instead of the infamous "hill from nowhere" and added some needed space for the mill.....



The mill makes a large and somewhat imposing scene. The huge buildings dwarf the locomotives and rolling stock and even as a consist pounds the duel mains in front of the mill you can't help but see the large grandure of the pulp and paper mill; a sight that is common in British Columbia.

Lots more detailing needed, roads, ground texture, backdrop painting  and much more but first the track will be adhered and ballasted..... only a month left until we debut and the Lindsay Ontario train show....

 
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 07:51:28 PM by Puddington »
Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

mu26aeh

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 5382
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +3606
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #49 on: February 29, 2016, 08:59:16 PM »
0
Excellent ! Another source of ideas for my paper mill on the Hanover Sub.  Still very much a work in progress

Ed Kapuscinski

  • Global Moderator
  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 24745
  • Head Kino
  • Respect: +9272
    • Conrail 1285
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2016, 09:03:00 PM »
0
That's awesome Mike!

Looks absolutely beautiful.

One suggestion. You might want to distress the track a bit. Remove a few ties, spread the rest out a bit. I just did it for some of my sidings, and I love the effect.

OldEastRR

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3412
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +311
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2016, 02:57:05 AM »
0
Much better effect of the mill taking over practically this whole side of the layout. If you'd like to read another one of my observations about another feature, read my post in the 2/2
10/16 weekly Update (think its the last post).

Chris333

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 18396
  • Respect: +5667
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2016, 04:26:48 AM »
0
Hey seeing a paper mill reminds me just last week at work we had our ink company test various brand papers we use. They found one was separating on one side of the sheet. It was Kurger paper. Maybe we should switch to your brand?  ;)

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2016, 07:48:48 AM »
+1
Hey seeing a paper mill reminds me just last week at work we had our ink company test various brand papers we use. They found one was separating on one side of the sheet. It was Kurger paper. Maybe we should switch to your brand?  ;)

Kruger.... fully recycled furnish.... ply sep isn't uncommon on some fully recycled grades.... (oh man, flashing back to previous career.... hey dummy; you make trains now, shut up about paper technology...... :facepalm: LO
Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

Ed Kapuscinski

  • Global Moderator
  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 24745
  • Head Kino
  • Respect: +9272
    • Conrail 1285
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2016, 08:32:34 AM »
0
Speaking of making trains now... I watched some of the RDC videos last night. You seriously work with crazy people. lol. The right kind of crazy.

Anyway, back to paper though... so, what product would this mill ship out? I have a few paper customers being served out of York. Currently I have them getting their "paper" from down south (I love my southern shortline boxcars), but I'm open to new suppliers.

Sadly, I don't think I own a single CP boxcar though...

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2016, 10:34:57 AM »
0
I worked for Domtar Packaging (and the bastard incarnation of its merger with Cascades called Norampac) for 22 years in Corrugated Paper and Packaging. While I ended up in the graphic arts side as GM of the Division I was trained the "old fashioned" way - on the floor, across the spectrum of the company.

I was lucky to spend many weeks in mills, our Red Rock, Ontario Kraft mill and our Mississauga, Ontario recycled mill. Both made containerboard, or "linerboard" if you will; the paper that goes on the outside of corrugated board. (The inside part they corrugate is called corrugating medium) My mill has two machines, like Red Rock and runs lightweights on one and heavy weights on the other. A mixture of virgin and recycled fibre is used - common for the day. The linerboard from this mill would, if in the real world be used across the Pacific Northwest from mid Canada to the California and into the mid west.

Paper is "swapped", "traded", whatever you want to call it for reasons of supply, grade availability and transportation logic. It makes sense for company A to supply light weight liner to company B's plant 100 miles away rather than have company B ship from their mill 1500 miles away. Then, company B will supply heavyweight liner to company A's plants everywhere because company A doesn't run heavyweights. No cash changes hands, tonnes are traded at the list price, plus discounts or upcharges and at the end of a given time frame, (Quarter, year...) a reconsiliation is done and tonnes are equalized one way or another....

Simple.........no??????????? :facepalm:

As for rolling stock, because the stuff is going all over the place you see a wide range of cars - when I was managing the plant in Richmond, British Columbia I always shook my head at seeing linerboard, from Washington state being delivered in Boston and Maine cars..... but; they made their way west and got used before returning to the east.....
Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

Ed Kapuscinski

  • Global Moderator
  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 24745
  • Head Kino
  • Respect: +9272
    • Conrail 1285
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2016, 12:03:06 PM »
0
Ahh, nice. The only downside is, it sounds like a corrugated packaging plant in York would probably get stuff from closer. Boo.

mu26aeh

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 5382
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +3606
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2016, 06:57:30 PM »
0
Ahh, nice. The only downside is, it sounds like a corrugated packaging plant in York would probably get stuff from closer. Boo.

Unless you have evidence/proof of where it comes from, what is just about every modeler's #1 rule ?  It's my(your) railroad.   If you want it to come from Australia, so be it ...  :o

Puddington

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3874
  • Gender: Male
  • Modelling is the best medicine for what ails me.
  • Respect: +245
    • The Canadian Pacific Railway's Dominion
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2016, 10:22:58 PM »
+4
Nah.... you see, that plant in York has a package designer named Fryer D Hogfat and Mr. Hogfat, besides being known for questionable personal hygiene and a pension for weekends at the track is the inventor of numerous unique and patented box designs, including the now famous Hogfat Bacon box. The Bacon box is produced by the York plant for several major packing houses but utilizes a high compression 57lb liner that currently is only being run in wide (91 & 95") widths by Domtar's Puddington Valley mill.

The York plant has a trade agreement for 150 tonnes per month which they are swapping lightweight board into Ontario and Manitoba for.......

Nothing to it Ed....... ;)
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 10:25:06 PM by Puddington »
Model railroading isn't saving my life, but it's providing me moments of joy not normally associated with my current situation..... Train are good!

Angus Shops

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 779
  • Respect: +275
Re: Kanto Sub Division of the Puddington Valley
« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2016, 11:15:10 PM »
0
Mike,
You have some great insights into a great 'model railroad' industry; I've learned more in a couple of your posts than i knew in aggregate before. You could right a book...

Geoff