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Nick Lorusso

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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2015, 07:42:56 PM »
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I have tried micro mask before but wasn't able to cut through it/around details without leaving marks on the model.

I stripped them today. Strangely the Badger sandblaster didn't really work. It's almost like the paint was very hard, just not attached to the models very well. So I dipped them in Acetone and the paint almost fell off. I didn't have to submerge them more than a few seconds.  I don't think it hurt the shells. I did notice that one of the side window frames in a 8-40Cm isn't perfectly straight but I think this was a casting anomaly as for this to have happened because of the Acetone would mean something else would have to shift, like the can roof or the side, which is impossible as its one piece and nothing else is crooked.

No I did not prime, but I am now!


Craig

I've had that problem with TCP before. Primer is a must. I've had luck with TCP primer.
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2015, 04:40:11 PM »
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Is there something about a primer that makes it stick better than other paints of the same brand?  I always just figured it was a neutral colour base so that the top coat looks uniform.

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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2015, 05:14:41 PM »
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You will find that a surface primer gives some tooth allowing the top coat to take hold. I use a spray can of Tamiya Grey Surface primer if applied in a light coat it does not hide any details and it works extremely well.
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2015, 07:31:51 PM »
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Is there something about a primer that makes it stick better than other paints of the same brand?  I always just figured it was a neutral colour base so that the top coat looks uniform.

Craig

You know, I have never found anything which specifically stated that a generic primer actually improves paint adhesion.

To me primer is usually used as a uniform neutral-color base coat for the final coat of paint. Especially if the model is made from several different materials. Primers are very opaque so they can produce uniform base color, even if they are covering highly contrasting surfaces. Also when a smooth surface is desired,  the flat and even color will show any imperfections so they can be repaired and then primed again.  That to me is the main use for primers.

But there are also some specialized primers. I have self-etching primer which supposedly adheres very well to metal surfaces providing a very good bond between the metal surface and the top coat of paint.  Other than the self-etching property (whatever that means chemically), it has an appearance of a standard opaque gray primer.

Then there are adhesion promoting primers specifically designed to improve bond between a flexible plastic surface and the top coat of paint.  Those are usually transparent in color.

I try to avoid primers whenever possible to minimize the thickness of paint on the model.   But sometimes it is unavoidable.  Like a yellow-plastic model which has to be painted white. Without opaque white primer the yellow plastic would show through the white paint.  Same goes for dark color plastic shell which has to be painted with a light color. Or if a shell has metal and plastic parts of very different colors and it needs to be painted using a light color paint.  It needs a coat of light color primer.
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2015, 02:00:46 AM »
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Not to labour the issue I thought this might help to understand why a primer is so important when painting our models.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/painting-with-tamiya-synthetic-lacquers-35?category_id=8#.VkWJcr_wx6I

This is from the Tamiya USA web page.
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2015, 11:44:28 AM »
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I didn't know that Van Halen can be useful fro stripping paint?  Do you blast it really loud when stripping paint?  :D

Great at stripping paint and demolishing buildings (especially the early stuff at high volume)

If you ARE a member of Van Halen, it also works with removing the clothes off of women as well (LOL)
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2015, 11:51:53 AM »
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Not to labour the issue I thought this might help to understand why a primer is so important when painting our models.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/painting-with-tamiya-synthetic-lacquers-35?category_id=8#.VkWJcr_wx6I

This is from the Tamiya USA web page.
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Rod.

That pretty much reinforces what I earlier said was the primer's main job:  Providing a smooth surface. However in my quest for minimizing thickness of the pint layer, if the plastic model is has a surface which is good enough for the final color layer then I don't use primer.  In the paints I use the solvent is potent enough to "bite" directly into plastic.  I suppose that the choice as to wheter primer is to be used or not comes from the experience of the person doing the painting. Sometimes, for bets results, experience of the painter trumps strictly adhering to the painting guidelines given by the manufacturers.

BTW, that is an excellent article about painting models.
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Re: Paint problem. Advice?
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2015, 04:38:21 PM »
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Ill check that article out when I have some time. I shot the plastic adhesion promoter this morning. I'll shoot the white tonight hopefully and then I can report the result.

Time for a bike ride.

Thanks again for all of the input.

Craig