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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2016, 01:55:01 PM »
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I'm having a panic attack at how much that will cost to retrofit my 30 or so coal drag with new trucks haha!  :scared:
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2016, 02:25:27 PM »
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So, Bowser makes 2 PRR trucks...
2D-F8
http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/prr2df8.html


Model truck lacks the spring plate.

What's a good stand in for this? MTL Bettendorf?


2E-F2 "Crown"
http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/crown2ef2.html


Truck also lacks spring plate.



The MTL Andrews truck makes a good stand in and has crisp detail.



Let's talk about the F30 from NSK. You can do an F30a and F30d. My suggestion is for the trucks for the F30d. I think they were National C-1 (2E-F25B).
I do not have the time or energy devoted to tracking down Atlas Hart Ballast cars just for their trucks. At least, not in this life phase.
Is there an alternative to the National C1 out there?



Additional reading: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
Sorry @spookshow for hot linking.
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2016, 04:02:36 PM »
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Quote from: chicken45 on January 21, 2016, 02:25:27 PM
The MTL Andrews truck makes a good stand in and has crisp detail.

I agree the MTL Andrews truck is a possible substitution, but it comes with issues.  The bolster hole is off center and the bolster is slightly humped.  If you used it, the truck would not be centered (I could live with this), but the ride height would be sky high.  This would require significant bolster filing on the car itself.  This is something I would like to avoid if at all possible.  Thanks.

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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2016, 05:14:57 PM »
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Quote from: chicken45 on January 21, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
I'm having a panic attack at how much that will cost to retrofit my 30 or so coal drag with new trucks haha!  :scared:

@chicken45 , depends on how many I can pack into a set. BTW, PROPS for all the pics and research!
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2016, 03:06:20 PM »
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Hey what about putting your culvert experience to something...more iconic?





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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #80 on: February 12, 2016, 03:35:22 PM »
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How about some lifting rings for those F and E unit models that don't have them.  I've got some years ago but don't remember who made them.
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2016, 03:16:18 PM »
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What about Kiesel trucks as Kato replacements so we can fix our L1 tender trucks?
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2016, 03:27:47 PM »
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How about those things we talked about a little bit ago?
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2016, 03:30:45 PM »
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Quote from: chicken45 on February 14, 2016, 03:16:18 PM
What about Kiesel trucks as Kato replacements so we can fix our L1 tender trucks?

That's a good idea, but I would suggest making faces, not whole trucks.  It is very hard to replicate
the smoothness and precision of those Kato all-wheel pickup trucks.  Even making a Shapeways truck
so that the Kato bronze cup finger inserts would really fit and work as well might be very hard.
But truck faces, so you could do what GHQ did with their NP tender trucks and PRR trailing truck.
You file off the outside faces as thin and flush as you can, and then glue on new faces.  If you file everything
really thin, and the replacement faces are really thin, it looks good.  Walthers Goo takes care of the
difficulty of gluing stuff to the Delrin trucks.

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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2016, 03:41:58 PM »
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Quote from: Ed Kapuscinski on February 14, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
How about those things we talked about a little bit ago?

Issues @Ed Kapuscinski , but I have an evil plan!
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2016, 03:44:18 PM »
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Quote from: mmagliaro on February 14, 2016, 03:30:45 PM
That's a good idea, but I would suggest making faces, not whole trucks.  It is very hard to replicate
the smoothness and precision of those Kato all-wheel pickup trucks.  Even making a Shapeways truck
so that the Kato bronze cup finger inserts would really fit and work as well might be very hard.
But truck faces, so you could do what GHQ did with their NP tender trucks and PRR trailing truck.
You file off the outside faces as thin and flush as you can, and then glue on new faces.  If you file everything
really thin, and the replacement faces are really thin, it looks good.  Walthers Goo takes care of the
difficulty of gluing stuff to the Delrin trucks.

@mmagliaro you mean like the ones I did from and for Bachmann K4 replacements?  in case of meltdown...

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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2016, 08:53:24 PM »
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Quote from: Lemosteam on February 14, 2016, 03:41:58 PM
Issues @Ed Kapuscinski , but I have an evil plan!
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Exxxxcellent.
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2016, 01:02:59 PM »
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Quote from: Lemosteam on February 14, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
@mmagliaro you mean like the ones I did from and for Bachmann K4 replacements?  in case of meltdown...




How about 2D-P5 trucks that can take the contact strips from the trucks in the Bachmann P70s. I'll even volunteer one of my two P70s to be sent out for design and testing purposes.
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2016, 01:29:14 PM »
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Quote from: VonRyan on February 19, 2016, 01:02:59 PM

How about 2D-P5 trucks that can take the contact strips from the trucks in the Bachmann P70s. I'll even volunteer one of my two P70s to be sent out for design and testing purposes.

Ooh. +1!
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Re: PRR (and other) design suggestions for Keystone Details
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2016, 07:34:50 PM »
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What if you could somehow make modular tower kits. 
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