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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #135 on: August 24, 2015, 02:45:07 PM »
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Peteski,

All that may be very true, but after years and years of begging, none of us Pennsy modelers are in a position to say "naw, Bachmann, that's OK, I'm gonna wait for Kato to do it."

So the discussion is both purely academic and purely speculative at this point.  Once these hit the shelves, and if it's determined that there are quality problems, it will be constructive to find ways around them rather than to sit and wring our hands wishing Kato had done it.

To the general audience: We wanted a K4, now we're getting one...we're in no position to dictate terms like DC versus DCC, paint schemes, or flange depth.  Bachmann delivers what it chooses to deliver and no amount of "pre-complaining" is likely to change what is undoubtedly already sitting in a shipping container.

Maybe I'm too much an optimist, but I expect great things from this.

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #136 on: August 24, 2015, 02:48:29 PM »
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To the general audience: We wanted a K4, now we're getting one...we're in no position to dictate terms like DC versus DCC, paint schemes, or flange depth.  Bachmann delivers what it chooses to deliver and no amount of "pre-complaining" is likely to change what is undoubtedly already sitting in a shipping container.


Being a non-SPF, this is where I am on the subject.  I like that TRW folks are willing to begin thinking about problems/challenges - but let's see what the issues really are . . .

And please, for the love all thing 4ft 8in. - let's stop begging for a K4
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #137 on: August 24, 2015, 03:06:38 PM »
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I've acquired 6 of the C&O Berkshires Kanawhas from various places and have tested 5 so far and every one has had some amount of the hitch problem in the low speed end.  This is running on a simple Unitrack test oval so hardly any iffy track work involved.

I really hope that the K4s doesn't have this same (or other problem), but even if it does I expect with some time invested I can make them run satisfactorily.  And it would be less work than converting a Kato C55 chassis (I have 5 that may be available soon) or fixing a 30+ year old Minitrix model or (in the case of the Berk) re-arranging the domes and front end details.  I don't expect everyone to feel this way, but it's what works for me.

I haven't seen any slow-speed hitches in the ones I've seen run, and they all are fantastic runners.
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #138 on: August 24, 2015, 03:22:40 PM »
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And please, for the love all thing 4ft 8in. - let's stop begging for a K4

So now what to beg for??

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #139 on: August 24, 2015, 03:27:03 PM »
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So now what to beg for??

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #140 on: August 24, 2015, 03:30:45 PM »
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So now what to beg for??

I1, P5, B6, H8/9/10, J1, and of course Victor's E6. At least for starters.  :D
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #141 on: August 24, 2015, 03:45:57 PM »
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #142 on: August 24, 2015, 03:47:22 PM »
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I1, P5, B6, H8/9/10, J1, and of course Victor's E6. At least for starters.  :D

Greedy, aren't we?
How about an updated, Spectrum quality ATSF Northern?
(You'll need a bunch of big and fast long-distance runners anyway for that transcon Pennsy) :D
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #143 on: August 24, 2015, 04:16:41 PM »
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I'm not getting all the comments about flanges  :? - all of Bachmann's N Scale locos have been code 55 friendly going back to the 1980s.

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #144 on: August 24, 2015, 04:23:16 PM »
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Bachmann does the H & E class, small steam.

BLI does the I1, the Q and the T, large steam.

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2015, 05:10:03 PM »
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Not a Pennsy guy by any means (PC FTW though) but I think the next PRR that should beg begged for is the 2-10-4 Js.  I don't think a 2-10-4 has ever been done in N not counting brass.

Of course for non PRR steam I'd like a Virginian Blue Ridge or N&W K1...

...and Walthers to rerun the Y3.

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #146 on: August 24, 2015, 05:17:47 PM »
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What to beg for:  P70's!!!!!!


Having the K4 and M1 in N is insanely interesting....




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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #147 on: August 24, 2015, 05:20:07 PM »
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Anyone who thinks the Bachmann Berkshire is a nice loco want to buy mine?  :trollface:

Seriously It is boxed up ready for ebay I just keep forgetting to list it. Make offer  :lol:

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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #148 on: August 24, 2015, 05:27:50 PM »
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Greedy, aren't we?
How about an updated, Spectrum quality ATSF Northern?
(You'll need a bunch of big and fast long-distance runners anyway for that transcon Pennsy) :D
Otto K.

Hey, the question was asked! And as for big, long-distance runners, we're talking about the railroad here that had a tender nicknamed the "coast to coast". I can't help it if I just take it a little too literally!  :D
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Re: Rumors of Bachmann N Scale K4
« Reply #149 on: August 24, 2015, 05:32:10 PM »
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John,
the problem with quality is that Bachmann will never be like any other company (Kato for example).  It has more to to with the overall culture of the company than with anything else.

In order to make better models, they would have to hire new engineers to rethink their designs, hire new new manufacturing companies and possibly new equipment (to improve their spotty quality) and use better materials.

If you haven't, take one of the Kato steamers apart (any one of them) and do the same with a Bachmann model. If you compare them you will see the much more advanced engineering of all the parts (the way they are molded and how precisely they fit) in a Kato. Even simple tings like the edge of flat brass electric pickup strip (it is smooth on a Kato-made part and has a sharp rough edge on a Bachmann model).  Kato's overall design is so much more advanced than Bachmann. But even Kato sometimes makes mistakes (like overengineering some components or making them too delicate for the average modeler).  However in a long run, Kato models have much more consistent quality than Bachmann.

Sure, some Bachmann models will run well and last long time (even if there are glue spots all over the model and some parts are glued on crooked), but quite a few will have problems right out of the box, or develop problems after some running time.  Models from Kato feature much cleaned and neater assembly and most of them will run well right out of the box, and will last a very long time. Sure, there are exceptions (like cracked axle tubes on GS-4), but the odds are that your Kato model will be better (in the areas I mentioned earlier) than a Bachmann.

I used Kato as an example because they seem to be one of the top quality manufacturers of N scale models.  If someone doesn't see that then they aren't looking hard enough.  I suspect that the major reason for the high quality is that Kato models are designed and manufactured in Japan.  Look at the Kato's Volvo tractor trailers sets (the vehicles). Those are made in China and the overall quality of those (paint and assembly) is not quite as good as their Japanese made models.

Oh, I fully agree that Bachmann isn't Kato.  But it's hard to deny that they have come a long way in the past 20 years.  Maybe some of those old engineers died and they hired new ones . . .  :facepalm:

I no longer assume that a Bachmann loco will be crap.  I pre-ordered three of the Berks because I thought there was a reasonable chance they would be very good and a small chance they would be terrific.  Instead, mine turned out to be just "good," even with all the tweaking I did.  If I didn't have the Walthers/LifeLike ones, I probably would have ended up with ten and counted myself lucky to have them at all.   But no question they aren't in the same class as the Mike, the GS-4 or the FEF (my GS-4 wobbles, but it is very smooth at slow speed and pulls a ton).

I also realize I'm picky about slow-speed performance.  I want an engine to run smoothly at 1 smph or less; if I'm running a steam loco onto my turntable, it can't be going 15 mph and then stop on a dime.  If I were simply running trains around a big N-Trak layout, the Bachmann Berk would be just fine.  If you want to do some realistic switching with it, not so much.  And I've heard that some are better than others (mine all had the slow-speed hitch, which I mostly - though not completely - cured).

John C.