Single Window Coach

[chicken45]

I would love to have my Atlas American pull something prototypical. I really have no idea what to even do with it.

[Dave V]

I would love to have my Atlas American pull something prototypical. I really have no idea what to even do with it.

MTL's Civil War era stuff ought to look good behind it...

[Ed Kapuscinski]

MTL's Civil War era stuff ought to look good behind it...

It'll look ok, but I think it'll actually be tool old. I think the Atlas model is actually an 1870s-1880s prototype. It might not seem like much difference, but imagine the difference between a plane from 1925 and 1945.

[Dave V]

It'll look ok, but I think it'll actually be tool old. I think the Atlas model is actually an 1870s-1880s prototype. It might not seem like much difference, but imagine the difference between a plane from 1925 and 1945.

True.

The MDC/Athearn 36' stuff is probably too modern, then, as it's mostly 1890s stuff.

[jmlaboda]

Maybe its time for MT to offer another powered model... how 'bout a Brill doodlebug?

[Ike the BN Freak]

...another sleeper like an 6-3,...Or a P70, that would be cool to.

I could use both those...but then I'd have to sell off my 12-1s and the Model Power P70s.

Then I'd have correct prototype cars for 6 of 1947 Freedom Train cars. And heard the Erie baggage is close enough to the baggage that ATSF furnished for it.

[pjm20]

It'll look ok, but I think it'll actually be tool old. I think the Atlas model is actually an 1870s-1880s prototype. It might not seem like much difference, but imagine the difference between a plane from 1925 and 1945.

Well, if @chicken45 is keeping with the Pennsy theme, then the Atlas 4-4-0 is accurate for a PRR D3, which was built starting in 1869, so Civil War cars would work.

[chicken45]

Well, if @chicken45 is keeping with the Pennsy theme, then the Atlas 4-4-0 is accurate for a PRR D3, which was built starting in 1869, so Civil War cars would work.

I hope to, but they just "look" too old. Need to do more research. I'd love to see passenger cars. That's what I really want. They only pulled one or two.

[mmagliaro]

True.

The MDC/Athearn 36' stuff is probably too modern, then, as it's mostly 1890s stuff.

I think those cars would be fine.   4-4-0's built in the 1860s and 1870s were certainly still in service in the 1890s.
A quick "Wikipedia" read says that the famous "Jupiter", built in 1868, was still in regular service in the 1890s and wasn't scrapped until 1909.

EDIT:  More digging.
A lot of the early PRR D class 4-4-0's, D1, D2, D3 and so on, built in the late 1860s - early 1870s (when they
were called class "A", "G" and other letters), stayed in service until the late 1890s and some into the 1st decade of the 1900s.

So I think it would be fine to run those 36 foot cars behind the Atlas 4-4-0.   I think the reason that
a PRR D3 pulling Civil War era cars would look too "new" would be that the engine really was brand spankin'
new in 1869.   The rails aren't full of brand new engines.   It would be correct for 1869 and correct for 1899, just at the extremes of its life. 

Steam locos are expensive to build, and they live a long time.
"Donkeys live along time.  None of you has ever seen a dead donkey"

[Dave V]

I think those cars would be fine.   4-4-0's built in the 1860s and 1870s were certainly still in service in the 1890s.
A quick "Wikipedia" read says that the famous "Jupiter", built in 1868, was still in regular service in the 1890s and wasn't scrapped until 1909.

Actually, I visited the reproduction Jupiter at Promontory just last week (she was taken apart for boiler work) and I remember them saying that.

That said, the Jupiter sent to the scrap line in 1909 would not have in any way resembled the Jupiter of May 10th, 1869 beyond driver size and basic dimensions I'm sure.

[victor miranda]

I have to mind a blacksmith's hammer...
been in the shop for years!

replaced the head 5 times and the handle twice!
Good hammer!

I have read that in any shopping any part could be replaced.

I guess the builder's plate doesn't get much wear.

victor

[mmagliaro]

Actually, I visited the reproduction Jupiter at Promontory just last week (she was taken apart for boiler work) and I remember them saying that.

That said, the Jupiter sent to the scrap line in 1909 would not have in any way resembled the Jupiter of May 10th, 1869 beyond driver size and basic dimensions I'm sure.

Some more web digging indicates tht it was reboilered and extensively modified around 1893 and sold.  So it sounds like if you were modeling 1890 or 1888, it would still be about the same as when it was built.

[victor miranda]

fine.
I'll be serious for a post.

my understanding of a shopping and what the shop did or did not do...

there was no re-engineering.
boiler dimensions were maintained and design pressures were expected when finished.
so while drivers were sometimes made a little bigger or a little smaller to allow
better performance on hills or other changes in service...

the boiler was rarely re-sized because so many other changes would follow that
one was making a new engine.

In my reading and guessing about the PRR e-3 to e-7 class change
the exterior of the boiler stayed and the interior firetubes were changed.

the Atlas 4-4-0 is a relatively large 4-4-0
and would have been about right for what got made in the 1880's
 and likely would have been a class leader in 1870 ( I am not sure of exact dimensions)
mark 1 eyeball and old photos...

and the civil war cars from MT would look proper behind it.
these cars faded from use faster than the locos did however...

I am far less sure about coaches...
shorter, wooden, and truss rods riding on wood beam trucks...

and I guess those coaches would have single windows...

victor
 

[Angus Shops]

We know how much Pud wants a single window coach; I want to see MT produce such a car just to see what he does with the postscript on his posts!

I have produced a CPR Cape series 1 compartment, 3 bedroom, buffet solarium in resin. They are available from Central Hobbies. They are assembled kits but need finishing (painting, windows, some added details, trucks and couplers).

For those of you looking for the 'turn of the century' wood coach, I have also produced a CPR 72' coach, modelled on the 1229 - 1276 series constructed in 1901. These cars used 4 wheel trucks (cast frames included in kit), but the older MT 6 wheel trucks will fit under the model as well. Also a mostly assembled kit, available through Central Hobbies here in Vancouver. Also availablle is a 60' wood baggage to match, and a combine.

I think Pud has posted photos of all these cars on TRW over the years...

Geoff

[SkipGear]

My vote -

Solarium Car - Plenty of examples shown already.

60-70' commuter coach (something similar to the coach that comes with the Bachmann Doodlebug)
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo4321.jpg

A non symmetrical RPO unlike the current one, windows on only one end.
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?april10/04-06-10/B_O78DaveInglesScanColl.jpg