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1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« on: February 19, 2015, 01:37:06 PM »
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Came across this shot today in the Kansas Historical Society collection.
http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/227016/page/1

I'm trying to get my trailers right on my Super C and got a big surprise here.   This is January 1968

The "Santa Fe's" are easy, heck even Trainworx now has those RTR.   But look at what else is in here:

"Neptune"..... what the heck is that?  The moving company?  On the C?  It's a drop-bottom trailer.

"Clipper".... Oh, I love that.   Gotta do that.   Had no idea those were ever on the "C".  Red letters on a silver 40' body:  http://riogrande.c.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_169/riogrande/m_clipper_01.jpg?c=a1

"Essex"..... another - who the heck is that, but a great trailer anyway.  Never heard of them.  can't even find the company.

Anybody ever hear of anyone that has modeled those trailers or found decals?  Microscale doesn't have them unless I'm completely blind.  Looks like Walthers did "Clipper" in HO once.

By '72 I'm seeing a heavy percentage of Santa Fe old and new schemes, a good mix of NYC/PC vans including flexivans, and then a select few oddballs.  At the moment I'm most interested in the oddballs.

I've had the philosophy over the years that non-train people set the time period by looking at your vehicles, not your trains, so this stuff matters.  I have way too many 'too new' trailers, these look like fun, only mildly impossible.    Ideas?  I can even make my own decals if I could find decent color side shots or some HO source decals to imitate.

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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 01:42:20 PM »
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 01:44:37 PM »
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I can do dark lettering (non white) on a color laser or inkjet, but even finding decent shots of the trailers is a challenge.   I've also been known to buy HO decals if I can find those.   No luck either.
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 01:49:45 PM »
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Yeah, the Neptune trailer is the moving company. That's their logo, for sure. Also surprised to see it on this train. Saw Clipper on the Super-C frequently in the early years, also occasionally (or later) on UP's VAN. Essex? I'm with you - not a clue.

You might be able to fudge Clipper with homebrew laser decals since there's no white. Those look to be standard fonts, too. Franklin Gothic Condensed comes to mind for the huge "CLIPPER", but I would have to verify that.

I'm sorta/kinda modeling the early- to mid-'70s Super-C and VAN. I say mid-'70s only because I have a bicentennial-scheme ATSF SD45-2 in the mix.
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 01:56:08 PM »
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ah,
I went looking for the bangor and aroostook service....more later.

I found this site
http://coldspringshops.blogspot.com/2004/11/recommended-railroad-reading.html
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 02:05:39 PM »
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Font turned out to be plain ol' Helvetica Condensed Bold. How original. :|



It's not a precise match to the prototype pic, but damn close to the Athearn interpretation. It all depends on "whose Helvetica" they used. The prototype has a font with a lower x-height. I'd really have to dig into my old (pre-computer!) font catalogs to find something closer.
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 02:10:50 PM »
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 02:15:27 PM »
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Hey, I found the HO Clipper set.   It's testimony that you have to find it on eBay and that the search function on Micro-Scale's on catalog doesn't show it is there..... or discontinued, or something.  Even if you know the stock number!

87-347 .... and the rest is my own magic.  And yeah, if that isn't the right font, dead on, you'd win a bet on me.   OK, one down. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 02:22:39 PM »
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 02:31:08 PM »
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Just in the nick of time.    OK, good job, forum!   I imagine I'll have to throw a coat of Microscale decal preserver on it, but it should work.

I even went back into the Micro-Scale page and there is no indication they ever made those.   Ever.   Now I can see if you would show them as now discontinued... but.... never???

Update:  WCFN100 has definitely solved the mystery of "Essex".... it's Essex Wire Corporation of Windsor, ONT.   Which makes sense to me because I'd read that ATSF was going after the expedited auto parts business to the west coast.   But wow. that's still a relatively rare trailer then.
See http://www.internationalmetropolis.com/2012/09/05/essex-wire/   and look at that logo.   Dead match.
Yup.   This could do it.... http://www.cobracountry.com/kress/kress-decal-EssexWire.jpg
That and some reverse-block letters, if I ever find a color shot.  I'm betting that's a red block and white letters given that logo.
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 03:04:21 PM »
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I've been surprised MicroScale hasn't capitalized on recent N scale releases with new decal releases.  Trainworx trailers and the ER P-S 4427 are two opportunities I can think of where opportunities abound, what with all of the trailer possibilities and the TTLX lease schemes.
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 03:23:56 PM »
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Here's one I have been looking for for years.... Caravan Trailer Rentals... common as a double double and a doughnut up here in Canada in the late 60's - early 80's yet I can't find a good shot to make artwork from.... this is all I can find...



Frustrating....... :x
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 03:30:19 PM »
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Hot on the trail of #3....   If this is the right color scheme, wow.... worth the fight to find it.

http://www.stanholtzmanstruckpictures.com/images/trucks/Peterbilt/1960-1969/Hauler/Peterbilt%201960s-%20Neptune%20Worldwide%20Moving,%20tractor%205653.jpg


and hey, look what I just found.  Check out the second trailer back...... with a bicentennial on the point.   http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/attachments/fullsize/204000/SantaFeSuperCebRiversideCa1175_4.jpg

Does that sufficiently explain how we can get all fired up modeling this thing?
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Re: 1960's-70's piggyback trailers & decals
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 05:35:34 PM »
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Quote from: randgust on February 19, 2015, 01:37:06 PM
I have way too many 'too new' trailers, these look like fun, only mildly impossible.    Ideas?  I can even make my own decals if I could find decent color side shots or some HO source decals to imitate.

We had a lot of fun trying to find suitable paint schemes for our FlexiVan's containers http://www.nscalekits.co.uk/StoneCreations.html including the decals produced now for Ringsby, Tynan, States Marine etc. and even more for the Auto Trailers http://www.nscalekits.co.uk/milwautocarrier.html with a large number of carriers Stuart, Clark JatCo and others!

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