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Cookie cutter or spline construction
« on: December 05, 2014, 05:22:24 PM »
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I'm about to start work on a Z scale layout, about 2'x3'.  In the past, I would have used foam; but since acquiring the HO scale Hinshaw Valley, I have a respect for cookie-cutter construction.  To me, the elegance and craftsmanship qualities and lack of foam waste are a huge plus.  However, for Z, I'm not sure of the best approach for the trackbed: cookie cutter or spline.  Has anyone tried the spline method in Z?  What do you think?

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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2014, 05:43:50 PM »
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2x3?

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/772/Zlayout3.jpg
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/772/Zlayout4.jpg

I just cut hard board roadbed and glued it to foam 
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/772/Zlayout2.jpg

I don't think spines would be needed at all in 2x3 feet, that is about the size of a cookie sheet though.  :P

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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2014, 11:18:09 PM »
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2x3?

I just cut hard board roadbed and glued it to foam 
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/772/Zlayout2.jpg


Hello Chris,

Just read the same advice from Tom Knapp (in his Nov/Dec 2014 N-Scale magazine Nn3 article) regarding 1/8" tempered hardboard "Masonite" for the track roadbed. He also shows large roadbed sections cut cookie-cutter style from 4X8 sheet of "door skin" Birch plywood - very similar to the layout picture you posted. I've started sliding down the Nn3 slippery slope and pulled the trigger on a RLW 2-6-0 locomotive kit and some freight car kits. For any Nn3 layout track, my choices have been narrowed down to a combination of Rokuhan classic sectional (basically z-scale version of Kato Unitrack) for switches, cross-overs & specialty pieces along with Peco N6.5 flex track for the large straight & curved sections. Tom Knapp's article has a close up photo of the Peco flex track mounted to door skin plywood roadbed, which is then mated up to the Rokuhan track. The tie spacing / rail code match up looks fine to me. The combination of track types & roadbed should not be very difficult to purchase, install, wire and ballast on top of a foam base. I'm looking for a bullet proof, reliable solution to avoid having to hand-lay code 40 rail on PC board ties and building my own turnouts.

Tom,

What track choice have you made for your Z scale layout?
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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2014, 12:54:28 AM »
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I used handlaid code 40/PC tie track on that layout. In some cases you could just put track right on the foam.

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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2014, 08:17:18 AM »
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Tom,

What track choice have you made for your Z scale layout?

I have a bunch of handlaid code 40 pieces that I commissioned Chris333 to make a few years ago.  I'll have to handlay a few feet myself. 

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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2014, 08:19:19 AM »
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lol   you work fast  :D That was like 5-6 years ago...
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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2014, 08:33:28 AM »
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I did my Ross Run module as a second 'cookie cutter' add-on to the Hickory Valley; the HVRR was built in 1976 as a cookie-cutter, this I've done lately as an add-on to showcase the Atlas Shay on a stand-alone logging module as well as an add-on.  It was at Bedford this year.  Primary design criteria was a steep switchback with the gears to the outside headed uphill.  And I needed all the little staging tracks I could fit to hold my abundance of N geared steam equipment.  Oh, and a reverse loop to the next module concept.  And continuous run connections to the HV.

On a logging railroad I don't use roadbed.  I'll hint a little ballast on one main track but the rest will be in the dirt.

This is only 21x42 inches in N.  Original plan:



Constructed:



I've got a 'lot of crap' on a tiny module, including a lot of extra wiring for the switch machines, reverse loops, etc.  It also had to be built like a tank to get hauled around as a portable in the back of the pickup.  My 'cheat' is that I have a wood shop with an overhead radial saw plus a jigsaw, I can cut custom cross-sections out of pine & plywood all day.  It's a cookie-cutter PLUS a straight single-piece spline reinforcement between risers under the roadbed, individual pieces keep the roadbed flat for sure.  Glued & screwed.   The problem with cookie cutter only on N & Z is that the plywood roadbed is narrow - really too narrow for much strength.  If the grid is much tighter than 6" you can't work in it.  So some kind of reinforcement is necessary between risers if you want a really straight and solid roadbed.

Visible track is Peco C55 with a couple C80 switches spliced in.   It's not Z but the working dimensions are the same, as well as an overriding concern for both portability and damage/warp resistance.   The HVRR built in '76 hasn't moved a bit, has been dropped down the stairs, has been all over on train shows, and still is in relatively good shape for a now-vintage N layout.   

Both modules have custom-plywood slide-over cases that bolt right onto the benchwork.


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Re: Cookie cutter or spline construction
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2014, 11:47:10 AM »
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Yeah, that brings up some of my problems. 

1.  Track bed would be like 3/4" wide, so it needs to be reinforced.
2.  Reinforcing requires tight grid to support risers.
3.  The tighter the grid, the more difficult it is to assemble.