New Annual Nag for Cory- SBD System/CSX

[u18b]

I've got a great paperback book on CSX locomotives and its predecessors.  It has a section that describes the paint schemes of CSX, including all of the transitional schemes.  Some of them even had blue trucks and fuel tanks!

DFF

Hi Dave,

I don't think that is an accurate statement in regard to **this** official scheme.

I have spent countless hours studying photos of CSX locos in an attempt to become something of an expert on CSX paint schemes.  (for example, I have discovered 5 major variations in the stealth scheme and have already built models of those variations-- article coming).  I have studied a few thousand photos as part of my reseach.

CSX applied yellow on EVERYTHING that did not already have yellow or some bright color on it.
I highly suspect that the book reference is speaking of some of those.

But in the scheme I'm talking about, there are about 100 examples in the CSX fleet.
Here they are-  CSX-Y
http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/paint_CSX-y.htm

In that list of 100, none of them have blue trucks.

So that means....
1.  There is indeed a loco out there that has blue trucks in this scheme (I'd love to know the road number of that anomaly!  I'd probably make a model of it!)
2.  Some true CSX-Y loco had some repairs in which a trucks were swapped from another loco.  Frankenstein situations do occur.
3.  Someone is confused at what he is looking at.   Just because it has yellow, that is not really what I would call a transition scheme.   That is not a true "scheme".  It is just an old scheme with yellow slapped on the end for better visibility (and lawsuit prevention).

If I had to make a guess, your book author falls into #3.  But I would love to be wrong.

If it would not be too much trouble, please look up in that book and let me know what specifically the author is referring to (loco and road number?).  And the author's name and the book (I might have it in my library).

Thanks.

[u18b]

By the way.... there IS indeed an official CSX scheme that has some inconsistency (sort of) in the truck color.

It is the old Blue and gray scheme.  or CSX-b  (B is for blue)

The normal typical scheme has BLUE trucks and fuel tank.
Like this.




Sometimes, a loco is so filthy, it is hard to tell what is under the dirt.

But this one is clear-  it has black trucks.  Same scheme- black trucks, fuel tank and pilots.




This loco was supposedly painted in Waycross Georgia... where the painters must not have gotten the memo on how to correctly paint this "new scheme."  The trucks are black just like the scheme that preceded this one (the CSX- Stripe scheme).

But as far as I have been able to tell (so far), all csx-Y transition scheme locos have black trucks.

[wcfn100]

But this one is clear-  it has black trucks.  Same scheme- black trucks, fuel tank and pilots.

I wouldn't bet the farm on those trucks being black. 

Jason

[u18b]

True.

When they are filthy, it is hard to tell.

I'm pretty sure on this one...... but as you say, there is room for error.

[wcfn100]

True.

When they are filthy, it is hard to tell.

I'm pretty sure on this one...... but as you say, there is room for error.

If you put it in photoshop and take samples, both trucks come out very dark grey to black but with blue tones (and only blue).  The fuel tank on the other hand is all over the map with a lot of red and yellow tones.

Jason

[davefoxx]

Hi Dave,

I don't think that is an accurate statement in regard to **this** official scheme.

I have spent countless hours studying photos of CSX locos in an attempt to become something of an expert on CSX paint schemes.  (for example, I have discovered 5 major variations in the stealth scheme and have already built models of those variations-- article coming).  I have studied a few thousand photos as part of my reseach.

CSX applied yellow on EVERYTHING that did not already have yellow or some bright color on it.
I highly suspect that the book reference is speaking of some of those.

But in the scheme I'm talking about, there are about 100 examples in the CSX fleet.
Here they are-  CSX-Y
http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/paint_CSX-y.htm

In that list of 100, none of them have blue trucks.

So that means....
1.  There is indeed a loco out there that has blue trucks in this scheme (I'd love to know the road number of that anomaly!  I'd probably make a model of it!)
2.  Some true CSX-Y loco had some repairs in which a trucks were swapped from another loco.  Frankenstein situations do occur.
3.  Someone is confused at what he is looking at.   Just because it has yellow, that is not really what I would call a transition scheme.   That is not a true "scheme".  It is just an old scheme with yellow slapped on the end for better visibility (and lawsuit prevention).

If I had to make a guess, your book author falls into #3.  But I would love to be wrong.

If it would not be too much trouble, please look up in that book and let me know what specifically the author is referring to (loco and road number?).  And the author's name and the book (I might have it in my library).

Thanks.

Ron,

Sorry for any confusion, but I wasn't referring to the specific scheme (CSX-y) that you are talking about.  I (overly) simplified by referring to every scheme before the YN2 scheme as "transitional," because these schemes were never really applied to the vast majority of the fleet before another tweak or change to the scheme.  The picture you posted of the stealth scheme with the blue trucks and fuel tank was the scheme I had in mind.  Turns out there are at least five distinct schemes before CSX got to YN2.

DFF

[u18b]

Dave,

I see what you were saying.  However, I don't think that would be the best use of the term.
Transitional means a change from one thing to another.

The first three basic schemes (plus variations, like Operation Redblock) were all blue and gray.
There were differences, but they were all blue and gray.

The next major (really major) scheme was the bright future which made good use of yellow.

So the CSX-y was a transition from blue/gray to Bright Future.

I guess it would be possible to describe all those early locos as "transition" once they got yellow on their nose.... but I obviously don't think that way.

I can't speak for the railfan community as a whole, since I don't hang out at those sites.

But I was trying to be precise so that I could make sure that Cory could see exactly what I was talking about.

Cory, if you ever need help with this scheme, let me know.   

[Cory Rothlisberger]

Ok, I've been having Ron help me out a bit (well, really, a lot...). If you guys can forgive 1) the 1' length difference, 2) the extra grill on the engineer's side, and 3) the difference in the battery boxes on the conductors side, then, I'll throw SBD and CSX on the run I'm planning for the next catalog. I am more than likely going to skip Conrail as a B36 as I'd rather offer a B23... 

[learmoia]

Ok, I've been having Ron help me out a bit (well, really, a lot...). If you guys can forgive 1) the 1' length difference, 2) the extra grill on the engineer's side, and 3) the difference in the battery boxes on the conductors side, then, I'll throw SBD and CSX on the run I'm planning for the next catalog. I am more than likely going to skip Conrail as a B36 as I'd rather offer a B23... 

Boooo!!!  I have 8 B23-7 (4 of the 19## series and 2 28## series) 1 one custom number weathered, and one Conrail Quality that I couldn't sell if my life depended on it

I have 1 Custom painted B36-7!!!

I would buy every number of a Conrail B36-7 run (in standard scheme).. I would buy 0 B23-7s!!

Hey.. isn't the Conrail 28## B23-7 a Foob Anyways.. Just say'n 

~Ian

[davefoxx]

Ok, I've been having Ron help me out a bit (well, really, a lot...). If you guys can forgive 1) the 1' length difference, 2) the extra grill on the engineer's side, and 3) the difference in the battery boxes on the conductors side, then, I'll throw SBD and CSX on the run I'm planning for the next catalog. I am more than likely going to skip Conrail as a B36 as I'd rather offer a B23... 

I am very forgiving.  Chalk me up for the SBD B36-7s.  Woo-hoo!  Thank you!

Thanks to Atlas, I'm really developing a nice fleet of SBD locomotives, not even counting the ex-SCL, Family Lines schemes, and ex-L&N units that I also have.

DFF

[u18b]

Ok, I've been having Ron help me out a bit (well, really, a lot...). If you guys can forgive 1) the 1' length difference, 2) the extra grill on the engineer's side, and 3) the difference in the battery boxes on the conductors side, then, I'll throw SBD and CSX on the run I'm planning for the next catalog. I am more than likely going to skip Conrail as a B36 as I'd rather offer a B23... 

I think those differences are very minor.    I'm jazzed.  And glad I could help.

This is filling a big hole in the Atlas line up IMHO.

[wcfn100]

But still no Rock Island GP7s in the Rocket or any of the Maroon schemes (TTs don't count). 

I can't believe Bachmann beat you to it.   


Jason

[Ed Kapuscinski]

I am more than likely going to skip Conrail as a B36 as I'd rather offer a B23... 

Seriously though, I'd accept the differences on the B36s. If we can live with the wide a$$ hoods on the MTL SW1500s, I can deal with those too.

[RockGp40]

FWIW, there is a custom stealth C30-7 on EBay right now. Not mine nor do I have any interest. It has blue trucks and fuel cell.

[u18b]

Blue trucks and fuel tank on stealth was standard.

There were two exceptions, but those were oddballs.  Blue is the standard color for that scheme.