Intermodal trailer era?

[sp org div]

Trainworx is doing some nice trailers for us all... but they dont give much detail on what era the various trailers and paint schemes fit into.  I havent had much luck researching the intermodal front for Southern Pacific trailer fleet info, but was hoping someone out here would have some insight.  So with their latest run of SP trailers, what time frame do they fit...  and what about their Sea Land trailer fleet, or even their drop bottom design in the Cotton Belt shimmy?   
http://www.train-worx.com/14-9sp,pfe,sealand-trailers.pdf
For that matter, I probably already let a number slip past that I would have purchased if knowing the time frame they fit into... 
Thanks for any feedback.

Jeff
http://espeeoregondivision.blogspot.com/

[daniel_leavitt2000]

I'll take a stab at this, but take it with a grain of salt...
PFE, SP vans would be mid 60's to mid 70's
SSW drop frames would be early 70's to very early 80's
All Sea-Land trailers are foobs mean to represent containers on chasses - I would avoid these.

[davefoxx]

All Sea-Land trailers are foobs mean to represent containers on chasses - I would avoid these.

This makes me very sad, but I appreciate the information ahead of an expensive purchase of foobs.  Or, at a minimum, if I do make a purchase, at least I'll know going in and avoid buyer's remorse.

Thanks,
DFF

[wazzou]

I'll take a stab at this, but take it with a grain of salt...

All Sea-Land trailers are foobs mean to represent containers on chasses - I would avoid these.

This makes me very sad, but I appreciate the information ahead of an expensive purchase of foobs.  Or, at a minimum, if I do make a purchase, at least I'll know going in and avoid buyer's remorse.

Thanks,
DFF

Daniel -
Understanding that your shot was with a grain of salt.... I have been provided with some information from an off-line source that shows Sea-Land definitely had trailers much like the ones Train-worx is producing though they eventually did make the conversion to 100% COFC.
The trailer with Sea-Land split by the large stylized SL logo is appropriate for late 1960's use.  I cannot confirm the other logo's use on TOFC equipment.

[tehachapifan]

If (and probably when) they start making more modern trailers, I'm going to be in real trouble! These older trailers are so nice I've tried to figure out ways to justify them on my layout but just can't go back much more than about 1990. The best I can really do is have one or two sitting somewhere as storage sheds or something.

[Catt]

Russ, there are several companies here in my home town that are using restored tractors and trailers for their daily transport needs.So there now you have an excuse to use older trailers on your streets and highways.

[tehachapifan]

Thanks, Catt! Just when I thought the wallet was safe.

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Daniel -
Understanding that your shot was with a grain of salt.... I have been provided with some information from an off-line source that shows Sea-Land definitely had trailers much like the ones Train-worx is producing though they eventually did make the conversion to 100% COFC.
The trailer with Sea-Land split by the large stylized SL logo is appropriate for late 1960's use.  I cannot confirm the other logo's use on TOFC equipment.

I'm pretty sure you are referring to McLean Trucking, which was owned by Sea-land's founder. Both were operated at the start of Sea-Land's founding, but as far as I can tell, none of the trucks were ever repainted into Sea-Land. Certainly none were 40' trailers which were a good 15 years away. Also, Trainworx did not add reporting marks to the trailers which makes me a bit suspicious.

[wazzou]

@daniel_leavitt2000

Check your PM.

[jagged ben]

If (and probably when) they start making more modern trailers, I'm going to be in real trouble! These older trailers are so nice I've tried to figure out ways to justify them on my layout but just can't go back much more than about 1990. The best I can really do is have one or two sitting somewhere as storage sheds or something.

You have better will power than me.  Trainworx has single-handedly pushed my modeling era back 5-10 years.  At least when it comes to intermodal.

[Snark45]

http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part4/35foot.htm

Some helpful info?

harry

[BruceStikkers]

They are great for me and so I am getting the orange cars and several of these trailers. They probably won't make any new scheme runs because these are 40' trailers were phased out many years back.  according to the PFE book I have the piggyback experiment didn't last too long.

Bruce

[ArtinCA]

Drop frames were around in the 1980's pretty good. I've seen photos of Southern ones on the DRGW Railblazer. .

[jagged ben]

http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part4/35foot.htm

Some helpful info?

harry

Yeah, that's a great website.  But not helpful in confirming or denying if SeaLand ever owned actual trailers as opposed to containers.

[nkalanaga]

Page 111 of Four Ways West's "GN Equipment Color Pictorial Vol 2" has a picture of Sea-Land containers/trailers on a flatcar in Seattle.  I believe they are containers, judging by the chassis, however, they look more like trailers than most of today's containers, and have the then-standard side lights of trailers.  So, either they are trailers, or the containers have an electrical connection to the chassis (or tractor) to power the lights. 

Still not a definitive answer, but I'll probably buy one of the early scheme.