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Pizza Cutters for older Kato & Atlas locos
« on: July 15, 2014, 09:57:13 PM »
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Is there a source for the "high pro" (pizza cutters) geared loco wheels for older Atlas and Kato locomotives?  I believe that if you order the locomotive specific geared wheelsets from the manufacturers you'll receive newer low-profile wheels.  Some of us with less than perfect trackwork find the low-pro wheels to be less forgiving of our track's curves: the pizza cutters work much better.

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Re: Pizza Cutters for older Kato & Atlas locos
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2014, 12:53:36 AM »
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carmelmodelrr,
uh, um...  you need geared pizza cutter drivers?

have an example loco?
Atlas went to low-ish flanges in the early 90s, as I recall.
Kato was similar.

you got say a brand new sd24 and it is derailing?

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Re: Pizza Cutters for older Kato & Atlas locos
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 02:09:12 AM »
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Even the original Kato/Atlas RS-3s didn't have pizza cutter flanges - they were more like "medium size".  I haven't bought any brand new Atlas locos, but I think they don't have really low flanges. Kato on the other hand did reduce the flange size (and wheel width) on some of their more recent locos.
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Re: Pizza Cutters for older Kato & Atlas locos
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 09:49:29 AM »
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Frankly, I've had really good results buying older Katos on Ebay, particularly as parts spares.   They seem to hold up pretty well as used units, and if one has been weathered or otherwise abused, can go relatively low in price.  With a six-axle unit you'd get another 12 wheels.

I don't think you'll find any interest from Kato in supplying higher-flange wheels, even if you're 100% right.   I've got a pretty big fleet of C30 and SD40/SD45 chassis (pre-DCC) and I know what you mean.   Where I see it is entering and exiting superelevated curves, where there isn't enough lateral motion on the trucks to keep one set of treads from lifting.  Doesn't take much to start an outside rail climb.    The worst I've seen on my layout are the BLI PA1's, those were impossible to keep on the rails - even my Hallmark 4-8-4 with 4-axle tender trucks has no problem in areas where that thing would pile up.    That 4-8-4 is my test dummy, if that makes it through, there's no excuse for anything else derailing, lifting, or warping wheels off.

If anything, I've discovered that doing things 'right' like superelevated curves can make it a whole lot worse with lo-pros on six-axle diesels.

What you need to know, and I don't, is if the diameter of the 'new' split-axle axle with the smaller flanges is the same as the old one so that they really are interchangeable.