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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »
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Very nice Pennsy car.   Now if only we could get someone (Craig?) to make pre formed grab irons for these ......

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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2014, 02:50:49 PM »
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Nice work on the sleeper Bryan.  The added details really make it a winner.  Love that you moved the couplers in as well.

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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2014, 04:58:19 PM »
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The weight needs to be shortened about .040" at each end so that the vestibule inner ends sit properly.  Otherwise, the roof will not sit flush at the ends.  I figured this out after I cemented the weight in place, so I had to break away the ends using a jewelers screwdriver inserted through the diaphragms.



I think I missed something here Bryan, why doesn't the roof fit? Is the vestibule an add-on part or what? I have only disassembled my RPO car so far.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2014, 05:13:19 PM »
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I have 35 of these cars (including the PRR 3-pack) and have no fit problem.

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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2014, 05:49:09 PM »
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I think I missed something here Bryan, why doesn't the roof fit? Is the vestibule an add-on part or what? I have only disassembled my RPO car so far.

Will,

No, all standard parts.  But for whatever reason, some of the weights are too long which prevents the vestibule inner walls from sitting flush on the bottom of the floor, which puts extra pressure on the roof tabs and occasionally they pop up.  It might not be a problem on every car, but it was a problem on more than one that I have.  It's easy enough to file the weight back to insure it clears the vestibule walls.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2014, 05:52:32 PM »
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Further clarification on those loops.  In the truck photos that I posted earlier, it appears that they loops are only on one end of the truck.  In the Randall book, previously referenced, all of the photos which show loops, only appear to have them on the truck end which points toward the center of the car.  Thus it appears that the loops should be removed from the vestibule end of the trucks and the loops on the other end of the truck either left in place or removed at your discretion.

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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2014, 06:36:23 PM »
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Will,

No, all standard parts.  But for whatever reason, some of the weights are too long which prevents the vestibule inner walls from sitting flush on the bottom of the floor, which puts extra pressure on the roof tabs and occasionally they pop up.  It might not be a problem on every car, but it was a problem on more than one that I have.  It's easy enough to file the weight back to insure it clears the vestibule walls.

Was that after you disassembled them or were they like from the factory?

BTW, it's ok to call me Will but I would prefer it if you put a Mr. in front of it. LOL.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2014, 07:59:41 PM »
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Was that after you disassembled them or were they like from the factory?

BTW, it's ok to call me Will but I would prefer it if you put a Mr. in front of it. LOL.

I know I've never been happy with the fitting of the roofs on any of the cars other than the RPO.

I'll call you by any name you'd like!  Which do you prefer?
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2014, 09:31:47 PM »
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I'll call you by any name you'd like!  Which do you prefer?

My given name is James but my online moniker is Jimmo.

All four of my other MTL heavyweights appear to have snug-fitting roofs, that's why I asked if this was something that occurred after disassembly. Just so I could watch out for the problem before I take them apart. Some model products are assembled with a one-way technique figuring that they are so complete they will never need to be taken apart.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2014, 10:38:26 PM »
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It's possible.  Also could have been a defective weight in my 10-1-2.  But I still don't like the way the roofs fit in general, particularly in the corners.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2014, 12:26:12 AM »
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But I still don't like the way the roofs fit in general, particularly in the corners.

So far mine all fit perfectly--as long as I get all those parts in the right order. Compared to the RPO, the rest of the cars are busy little things on the inside.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2014, 12:45:49 AM »
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Because they have full interiors with clear glass, which the RPO does not have (and probably doesn't need due to the scored glass).  But the RPO has the better detailed and better designed roof over the longer cars.

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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2014, 12:53:09 AM »
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I agree, it's almost as if it were designed by a different company or design team.
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2016, 11:52:23 AM »
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Here's what I did to one of the three MTL heavyweights I have that are operational.  I acquired one of the cars from the Pennsy 10-1-2 runner set because the cars in that set are the only Pennsy decorated cars that are 100% prototypical.  I had some time this morning to snap some photos of the model, now riding on loop-less truck frames.  This is the bedroom side:



And this is the hallway side:



The weight needs to be shortened about .040" at each end so that the vestibule inner ends sit properly.  Otherwise, the roof will not sit flush at the ends.  I figured this out after I cemented the weight in place, so I had to break away the ends using a jewelers screwdriver inserted through the diaphragms.



Decals were applied on the inside of the glass sections in the bathroom areas to simulate the etched patterns.  Someone here on Railwire gave me the pattern artwork but I don't remember who.  The artwork was printed onto decal paper in a laser printer.  It's easy to align them properly with the windows when the glass is in place.  Roscolux frost gel was then cut and tacked to the glass pieces in the bathroom areas. to finish the effect.



I dislike the color used for the Pennsy interiors (and the Pullman green interiors), so I swapped in a 10-1-2 interior from a Union Pacific model.  The vestibule inner ends properly fit with the weight shortened.



I was mistaken on the centersill extension.  Only the area between the bolster and coupler needs to be filled in.  There is room for more depth, and the centersill slope could be continued to the bolster and still clear the inner axle, but this small amount is enough to remove the whitespace and give the cars more visible heft.  New holes were drilled and tapped to move the 1015 couplers inward and secured with brass screws instead of plastic pins.  Fox Valley 36" wheels were used to upgrade the trucks.  The addition of steam traps also enhances the underbody appearance.  The underbody arrangement is correct for Lake Maitland, so there was no reason to alter it.



The trapezoidal shapes on the roof were carved/filed/sanded off and replaced with the well-defined vents from the RPO roof.



The rectangular shapes on the roof were carved/filed/sanded off and replaced with roof fans were fabricated from styrene and an etched face plate.  Rain drips made from .008" brass wire were added over the doors.  And American Limited heavyweight diaphragms replaced the standard ones.



Only a couple of hours work overall, and it looks much better.  I've also done similar work on a New Haven parlor and a Pennsy 12-1, but the underbody configuration on both was totally rearranged and the roof configuration on both was more extensive so they took longer to do.

Hey didn't @Lemosteam just do these vents and fans up in Shapeways?
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Re: Lowering MTL Passenger Cars
« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2016, 12:13:33 PM »
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