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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1500 on: January 22, 2018, 04:39:07 PM »
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We probably covered this before, but is there a prototype or an inspiration for that bridge? That much ballast with that much road bed profile just doesn't look right to me. 


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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1501 on: January 22, 2018, 05:43:55 PM »
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Okay, I'll concede you can work out the surface texture, but you're losing me with the color.  Way too even, and too light of a base color.

Here's where the styrene method works nicely... you can take it up and out to the paint booth and spray it up and layer on mist coats to get to a realistic textured paint coat, such as DKS displays in his remarks.  (Yes, I'll agree that my photo shows a very smooth road... I hadn't gotten to the dullcoat and Sharpie tar lines yet...  Behold this concrete bridge deck as a f'rinstance...



Ironically, the road leading up to the bridge was done with spackle compound, and I never liked the way it turned out.  The rough texture made it difficult to get the striping to lay on evenly, and the potholes were abundant and deadly.

How do you propose to address the color issue?  Since 99% of your audience will be looking at photos, you can't get too cozy with the idea that "it looks good in person"... because odds are it doesn't.

Please pass the salt.

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1502 on: January 22, 2018, 05:46:02 PM »
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Okay, I'll concede you can work out the surface texture, but you're losing me with the color.  Way too even, and too light of a base color.
How do you propose to address the color issue?  Since 99% of your audience will be looking at photos, you can't get too cozy with the idea that "it looks good in person"... because odds are it doesn't.

Ok, so you're familiar with the concept of a "work in process", right?

I'm planning on hitting the roads with some darker paint.

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1503 on: January 22, 2018, 05:48:36 PM »
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We probably covered this before, but is there a prototype or an inspiration for that bridge? That much ballast with that much road bed profile just doesn't look right to me. 

There is. And honestly, there's probably too much up there, but that's what happens when you use cork. I'm living with it.

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1504 on: January 22, 2018, 06:03:13 PM »
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Okay, I'll concede you can work out the surface texture, but you're losing me with the color.  Way too even, and too light of a base color.

Here's where the styrene method works nicely... you can take it up and out to the paint booth and spray it up and layer on mist coats to get to a realistic textured paint coat, such as DKS displays in his remarks.  (Yes, I'll agree that my photo shows a very smooth road... I hadn't gotten to the dullcoat and Sharpie tar lines yet...  Behold this concrete bridge deck as a f'rinstance...



Ironically, the road leading up to the bridge was done with spackle compound, and I never liked the way it turned out.  The rough texture made it difficult to get the striping to lay on evenly, and the potholes were abundant and deadly.

How do you propose to address the color issue?  Since 99% of your audience will be looking at photos, you can't get too cozy with the idea that "it looks good in person"... because odds are it doesn't.

Please pass the salt.

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While I agree with your assessment of Ed's work, I would be remiss if I didn't call out that 12" wide expansion joint at the end of your bridge.  I imagine it's claimed more tires, shocks, struts, and frames than a tornado at a CarMax lot.

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1505 on: January 22, 2018, 06:10:57 PM »
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I pulled off the tape. I'm pretty happy. Some more work to do, but not bad.


Really loving the progress of this scene.  Great job Ed!

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1506 on: January 22, 2018, 06:16:22 PM »
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We probably covered this before, but is there a prototype or an inspiration for that bridge? That much ballast with that much road bed profile just doesn't look right to me.
How about this one?


http://bridgehunter.com/photos/24/48/244877-L.jpg

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1507 on: January 22, 2018, 06:28:03 PM »
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How about this one?


http://bridgehunter.com/photos/24/48/244877-L.jpg


Yeah, but notice how the ballast profile is below the girders? 
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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1508 on: January 22, 2018, 08:13:36 PM »
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How about this one?


http://bridgehunter.com/photos/24/48/244877-L.jpg

What Bryan said.

I think part of it could be that some of the bridges here in Colorado Springs have plywood panels against the railings presumably to keep ballast from falling onto the roadway.  Looking at Ed's bridge, I'm imagining all of the ballast sliding into the river.

Here's a couple

https://goo.gl/maps/u6Xpv2bLgG72

https://goo.gl/maps/GTNz79shhnH2

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1509 on: January 22, 2018, 08:36:50 PM »
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Dr Weldon,

While I agree with your assessment of Ed's work, I would be remiss if I didn't call out that 12" wide expansion joint at the end of your bridge.  I imagine it's claimed more tires, shocks, struts, and frames than a tornado at a CarMax lot.

 :ashat:               :trollface:

Modeling West Virginia.  Totally prototype!  [see: Ed/s Law :D]

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1510 on: January 23, 2018, 07:07:13 AM »
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Excellent bridge scene, looking forward to seeing some Conrail freights crossing it 8) That layout is amazing the scenery has a very convincing natural look to it, no doubt due to the choice of scenery materials. Excellent work!

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1511 on: January 29, 2018, 04:12:18 PM »
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Shot some photos on the newly ballasted bridge.

Still lots to do to improve the scene, but it's definitely coming together.



http://conrail1285.com/some-bridge-photos/

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1512 on: February 08, 2018, 04:43:15 PM »
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Gotta settle this thing down into the ground a bit more, and do a bunch more work to it (well, maybe), but here's a photo angle I don't think I've posted before.


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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1513 on: February 08, 2018, 04:48:53 PM »
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Is that 3D printed out of ice cream?

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Re: Conrail Windsor St Yard (York PA) Engineering Report
« Reply #1514 on: February 08, 2018, 04:51:08 PM »
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Is that 3D printed out of ice cream?


The coupler or the building?   ;)
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