Bachmann S4 question

[MichaelWinicki]

I would have bought a P&LE S4 if it was a P&LE S4.

Chris you're missing out on one fine running locomotive...

[Chris333]

Michael,
Sorry man no offense.

Here is how Atlas handled it:
http://www.atlasrr.com/Images/HOLocomotives/hos2s4/0507/10000037_TQ.jpg




Hey look I found Bachmann's next geep:


 

People at MicroTrains be like "FAIL"

[MichaelWinicki]

Michael,
Sorry man no offense.

Here is how Atlas handled it:

No offense taken! 

I held my nose when I ordered it cos of the scheme.

But really for the price of loco and how it operates... The effort to repaint it may be a consideration.

[Chris333]

No offense taken! 

I held my nose when I ordered it cos of the scheme.

But really for the price of loco and how it operates... The effort to repaint it may be a consideration.

Are decals available?

[MichaelWinicki]

Are decals available?

That's a good question.  I haven't looked myself.

I buy first and ask questions later. 

[Puddington]

Now isn"t that something.....

Having  started work at Rapido, my "mentors" Bill and Dan have repeatedly warned me that "restored units, illustrations, artwork and other non period images" are potential traps about 15 times.... so I now fell I have to ad Christmas cards and greeting cards to that list...................

Such a hard lesson to learn...............

[brokemoto]

Are decals available?

I fudge the P&LE with either the Microscale NYCS Steam or one of the two passenger car sets that are available.  They ain't exact, in fact, they are more off than the one inch on the hood, but they are not that far off.

If you can remove the red oval herald and the huge lettering without damaging the base coat, you are way ahead of the game as the color is correct.  The photographs show them after they were quite beat up, thus the Pacemaker Green does not show as well as it did when they were new.  They had 539 prime movers, which were extremely reliable, so they did not get major shoppings often.  They did not require repainting in 1957, as the only NYCS yard goats that had lightning stripes were twenty-seven  FMs H-12-44s, class DES-17, and the IHB units, which had a lightning stripe scheme that was quite different from the rest of the NYCS.

B-mann DOES sell a GP-7.  Funny though, they painted it black lightning stripe and lettered it NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM .  The only GP-7s of which I am aware that had lettering even remotely  like that on the NYCS were Peoria and Eastern's.  The difference is that the road number went on the short hood because the P&Es had the P&E herald on the cab.  The number on the B-mann does not correspond to a P&E GP-7, either.  B-mann does not seem to like doing its HW on NYCS power.

[SkipGear]

Would something like this work?.....

[FrankCampagna]

If I recall correctly, Howard Fogg was the official sales artist for ALCO. The schemes in the paintings are most likely proposed paint schemes, meant to sell locomotives to the railroad in question, rather than complete fantasy. Railroads often had their own ideas of how they wanted them painted. There was a book on his ALCO paintings published many years ago.

[Tsail]

Oh no, there is more than one Scott on TRW! 


SORRY....what happens when Mr. Merlot comes to visit and stays for the evening !! LOL

[Tsail]

Hmm, interesting.  I am looking forward to trying this.  As my beer is located in the fridge and my shell will be in the freezer, this is a no brainer for me.   

Kidding aside, I am definitely going to try the freezer method.  I damaged the cab window glass in the Railroad Model Craftsman DL&W F7 article because of the glue.  Would have loved to have had the freezer trick back then...  Of course, can't get replacement glazing from Bachmann!




Scott , everyone knows that the differential refraction % to contrasting materials, given ambient temperature of a Westinghouse refrig filled with Coors Light, is pretty much equal to room temperature cranial rectal inversion friction, taking into effect a hair loss varience of course, of about +/- 3.5 %. Well within metric parameters for blade use.
Just use a blade mate. We can discuss further at the D man's when I come up the first week in Sept. See you then.

scott lupia

[Altoona]

FYI I just remove the windows from the S-4 by gently pushing out he windows with a toothpick.

Judd Barton

[OldEastRR]

So for me to buy the P&LE S4 would be the same as buying one with Donald Duck on the side. I think the model looks good enough, but the scheme is all wrong. 

"Hey buddy ... got a brand-new 2014 Lexus here, loaded, sell it to you legally for $2000. Interested?"
"EEEWWWWW!!! It's orange with a silver stripe! NO WAY!!!"

I don't understand the mindset behind ignoring a version of any N locomotive that has been done once (or never) before, but now with up-to-date electronics, great running ability, excellent details, and a reasonable price because "EEEWWWWWW!!! It's the wrong color!" I see this over and over again in N scale, with locos, cars, whatever.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY SELL MODEL PAINT AND DECALS?  I could see if this was the "old days" when you had to trial-and-error mix and match paints to get your color, plus hand-stripe and hand-letter on all the markings, but now? MicroScale and other decals come practically dip em and stick em on and the scheme is perfect. (in this case it seems even more ridiculous a complaint, seeing as the proto loco was all black with plain white lettering -- try updating, painting and decaling a DL-0109 in NH pinstripes!!)
This pickiness is baffling to me. Heightened sensibilities or just lazy? I have no idea.

[Chris333]

"Hey buddy ... got a brand-new 2014 Lexus here, loaded, sell it to you legally for $2000. Interested?"
"EEEWWWWW!!! It's orange with a silver stripe! NO WAY!!!"

I don't understand the mindset behind ignoring a version of any N locomotive that has been done once (or never) before, but now with up-to-date electronics, great running ability, excellent details, and a reasonable price because "EEEWWWWWW!!! It's the wrong color!" I see this over and over again in N scale, with locos, cars, whatever.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY SELL MODEL PAINT AND DECALS?  I could see if this was the "old days" when you had to trial-and-error mix and match paints to get your color, plus hand-stripe and hand-letter on all the markings, but now? MicroScale and other decals come practically dip em and stick em on and the scheme is perfect. (in this case it seems even more ridiculous a complaint, seeing as the proto loco was all black with plain white lettering -- try updating, painting and decaling a DL-0109 in NH pinstripes!!)
This pickiness is baffling to me. Heightened sensibilities or just lazy? I have no idea.

I'm not complaining about a wrong number or a incorrect font. I can paint a locomotive Pacemaker Green (not black) and it looks like Tony is working on decals. But I can't just sit here while the Bach-man does drugs before picking out paint schemes. I do not think there is anything picky about this.

Imagine thousands of prototype photos to use for research and ignoring all of them for one single painting. But wait how did they come up with the number on the cab? It doesn't match the painting.  Did they look at real information for that one detail?

The Atlas S2 is listed at BLW for $79.95 and the Bachmann S4 is listed for $78.49. I think I'll just wait for Atlas to make my Lexus for an extra $1.46 because I'm lazy:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/NScale#5206324657267389378


I sure hope this isn't a NW2 (bachmanns next switcher):
http://coalingstation.com/images/36.jpg

[bbussey]

... The Atlas S2 is listed at BLW for $79.95 and the Bachmann S4 is listed for $78.49. I think I'll just wait for Atlas to make my Lexus for an extra $1.46 because I'm lazy:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/NScale#5206324657267389378

Chris, your scratchbuilt FM is powered by an old Arnold S2 mechanism, correct?  Are you going to retrofit the Atlas mechanism when it's available?