PRR Senator consist help

[Bob Bufkin]

Just happened to be looking at my PRR Parlow Car book and besides having info on the streamlined Budd cars also listed a heavyweight 30 seat, 1 drawing room car, the John Hancock, which was also shadowlined and used in both trains when needed.  Perhaps one of the Micro-train heavyweight parlors could be used in your train.  Shadowlining is something you would have to figure.

[CodyO]

Thanks for that bob
I'm hoping to do a train of solid silver so that wouldn't be idea but might be good for a mix up if I can figure out about shadowlining

[Bob Bufkin]

The shadowing was to make these cars look like the streamlined cars.  Silver sides and what looked like fluting sides.  Several roads did this and from what I understand, it was expensive to do.  Maybe this is something that MT, are you reading this Shipure, could do on some future heavyweights.

[eric220]

As far as shadow stripes are concerned:

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=60-1243&Product_Count=&Category_Code=

Here's an example of what they look like on the Santa Fe:



To be clear, that's a smooth side coach with black stripes painted on it.

[CodyO]

Doing 3 stripes for PRR P70 sucked, I couldn't imagine doing that, I'd buy the MT heavyweights though...

So they just did it to make it look like it was a newer piece of equipment?

Thanks Eric and bob

[Bob Bufkin]

Try and get a copy of Pennsylvania Parlor Cars by Liljestrand & Sweetland.  They also did these books on Diners, sleepers, coaches, and several others.  A wealth of material and info on PRR passenger cars.  And they are not that expensive.

[jmlaboda]

Bot the John Hancock and the Robert R. Livingston were Plan 4000 parlor cars painted in shadowline paint but I do not have anything on when they were painted into PRR's tuscan red scheme... a shot of the John Hancock later in life can be found at the link below...
http://bcoolidge.com/ANG%20Pix/ANG-PRR-Parlor-John-Hancock_11_28_64edited.jpg

And here is the only PRR car I have found on the web in shadowline paint... provided as a reference... PRR 1150, a "P70fc" lunch counter - coach.  If the car had been a named car the name would have been centered on the lower side on a tuscan red rectangle with gold lettering like the numberboards of 1150.
http://rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-d1150.jpg

Wonder if Bryan Bussey would be willing to work up the sides for this unique parlor car along with the NH dining car he has done?  The NH acquired six of these cars from Pullman in 1945 and remained parlor cars until being retired in 1958 and 1959.

[pjm20]

Try and get a copy of Pennsylvania Parlor Cars by Liljestrand & Sweetland.  They also did these books on Diners, sleepers, coaches, and several others.  A wealth of material and info on PRR passenger cars.  And they are not that expensive.

+1

[jmlaboda]

"Try and get a copy of Pennsylvania Parlor Cars by Liljestrand & Sweetland."

Bob, thanks for mentioning this book... have already ordered a used copy from Amazon dirt cheap.

[CodyO]

I've looked at those books before online but was unsure of the quality of the content
Ill order some now

[Bob Bufkin]

Dinef 4489, a D78 was painted this way.  There is a photo in the PRR Dining cars by the same authors.

[Alwyn Cutmore]

I don't generally discourage people from going the extra mile and raising the bar.  To many of us on the Railwire, it's what inspires us to do better.  That constructive "peer pressure" is part of what makes this forum unique.

Dave,

I have to agree with what you have said. Sometimes I just wish I would let go and accept what is out there. But I cannot so I wont. The efforts you have made with your modelling and layout is what drives us on and in conjunction for Doug Nelson the roundy roundy has become an art form. Unfortunately the Senator did not run in my modelled neck of the woods so I will stay right out of it.

I would however recommend a visit to: http://pennsyrr.com/operations/passenger-operations on Keystone Crossings.

As for the soft cover book on the PRR Passenger Fleet the books mentioned are excellent. They give you good B&W pics of a greater proportion of the PRR Fleet.

Great thread Cody O and helps to generate a lot of interest.

Regards

Al

[CodyO]

Thanks for the book advice guys but back to the senator

That's a CB&Q prototype.  Not accurate for any Pennsy Budd prototypes unless you replace the entire side.  Also, the sleeper roof (no longer available) is a better starting point than the coach roof.

That would mean securing the "Inn" series body, which unfortunately never was released as individual parts.  The tooling is better also on the consist varnish than on the older single cars.

Ok, so I was figuring to model the 14 cars of solid silver(The Eastbound Senator) I should get 14 Kato Budd sleepers(P/N 805166)then cut off the sides and replace them with Union station products sides(more costly than the cars themselves)
I know its not a simple job but doable
 
Am I correct or would the more proto correct be using the Broadway Limited Add on cars and cutting off there sides and replacing them?

Did Pennsy use the budd trucks under the cars or a different truck?

Gosh, guys:

How many of us ever saw or rode the Senator ?  (Yes I rode the Congo a couple of times, and I honestly don't exactly remember what it looked like or what cars were one it .  All I cared about was it on time - it was).

The following is not addressed to any individual -


Sometimes I feel we get too involved in the exactness of our hobby.  If you model of a particular train and it recreates the feeling you remember, well why not do it, even if it isn't exact ?

eja
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Eja I was only born in 94, I`ve never even seen the Pennsy , so I`m already jealous of you for getting to ride behind a GG1 in a pennsy train. I`d like to do this because to me its a cool project and something I would like to do sometimes I like to go all in and try to be as exact as I can but most of the time I dont, this is just a project that will simmer on the back burner till I decide to actually go forward with it, the cost of it is high but I think it will be cool knowing I have a totally correct consist that I built.

[Bob Bufkin]

I think most of the trucks oon these trains were 2E-P15.  I think the Kato trucks are the same are darn close. 

[bbussey]

Thanks for the book advice guys but back to the senator

Ok, so I was figuring to model the 14 cars of solid silver(The Eastbound Senator) I should get 14 Kato Budd sleepers(P/N 805166)then cut off the sides and replace them with Union station products sides(more costly than the cars themselves)
I know its not a simple job but doable
 
Am I correct or would the more proto correct be using the Broadway Limited Add on cars and cutting off there sides and replacing them?

When I build mine, I'll be using the "Inn" cars as a core with etched brass lower sides.  I've never seen the Union Station sides.  But the Kato Budd sleepers with the Union Station sides should work.

Did Pennsy use the budd trucks under the cars or a different truck?

Same trucks as under the "Inn" cars.  They should be available as parts from Kato.  Doesn't matter if they are the "snap-on" style, as they will fit on the old-style Kato bolsters perfectly if you remove the nubs from the clips.