Pimpin' Panamint: Pennsy Coaches, Monitor Roofs, Link-&-Pin & more!

[M.C. Fujiwara]

I've used Eric Cox's (Panamint) 1800's trucks before and dug them.
Then I got in contact with him, and it turned out he was coming to the NMRA/PCR Iron Horse Convention at which I was going to be giving talks / running Free-moN trains.

So I ordered a bunch of stuff, mainly lots of link-&-pin sets and woodbeam & fox trucks, but also some coal jimmies and some 9" Dahlgrens:



Lots of groovy detail (even underneath).
The L&P sets are for Chris333's 20T coal cars, which I think will work better as 4-5 car units.
But if the pin thing works well enough, then I might put them on all my pre-1900's cars.
(still debating on the mix pin & knuckle thing)

At the convention, we started talking mid-1800's coaches.
Eric had done a 1850 B&O coach but it came out a little warped (since redesigned and good).
Since the convention, he's designed both a some arch-roof and monitor-roof coaches, with interior inserts (seats, stoves, loo).
Personally, I'm excited about the monitor-roof coaches:



That's the Pennsy coach from 1961: http://www.shapeways.com/model/991027/r0yi-n-pennsy-coach-monitor-roof-1861.html?li=productBox-search

(Also, I knew if I mentioned "Pennsy" in the thread title it'd get 20 kabillion more hits on RW than if I said, "Really Cool Pre-1900's Stuff!!" 

As quite a few arched- and monitor-roofed cars plied the Columbia River in the later 1800's:



Check out the baggage car.

So, I believe, at this minute, Eric is putting together a package for me of a couple arched and a couple monitor-roofed coachs (plus interiors), as well as a few monitor roofs so I can scratch some baggage cars.
I'm also getting a couple bobber caboose bottoms so I can scratch the sheds.

Anyway, I was just very excited to get some groovy L&P sets, trucks and looking forward to some coaches.
Pre-1900 freight I can scratch (though Eric's got some great hinge detail on his 1840's Winans cars:

http://www.shapeways.com/model/713159/r11x2-n-scale-1840-winans-boxcar-wurttemberg-x2.html?li=productBox-search

but some of the coaches have so many curly-cues:

http://cdm15323.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15323coll6/id/1423/rec/2

that I'll gladly pony up for the FUD Iron Horse.

Last I talked to him he was leaning towards taking orders himself and packing the package so 1) it reduces the Shapeways setup fee and 2) you only have to deal with him, not a bunch of Shapeways inspectors rejecting orders willy nilly (which has been happening lately).

He's also very open for design suggestions, so if there's anything pre-1900 you'd like to see, he's probably up for it.

Good new (old) stuff.

[Chris333]

Last time I ordered I got a few of those coal jimmies, they are pretty nice.

[M.C. Fujiwara]

Last time I ordered I got a few of those coal jimmies, they are pretty nice.

They are, and he's got two different types: Wood & Wood/Iron

http://www.shapeways.com/model/825845/r15-r16-n-scale-coal-jimmy-two-types-2-each.html?li=productBox-search

In the last month / two he's gone back and re-designed / re-enforced a lot of the models.
He's also had to increase certain dimensions like the brake wheel post so it won't be rejected by the Inspectors (but we'd use brass anyway).

But the main point here is that if you see some stuff you like, just pop him a email and he'll bundle it all up for you.
[or maybe he'll start chiming in himself, as he's got great a$$hat potential]

[kelticsylk]

Any plans for B&O's "iron pot" hoppers?

[M.C. Fujiwara]

Any plans for B&O's "iron pot" hoppers?

Are those the same as these 10T pots?



Late 1800's: Sounds like a good candidate!
If we both make him an offer he can't refuse (i.e. "ask him") then it might happen!
He does email back when you "contact designer" 

[brokemoto]

Great looking models and kits.

Nineteenth century B&O decal sets????

[Specter3]

I would love to see some stuff like Silver Crash Car Works has. 28 ft boxcars. 34 foot boxcars. They are pretty generic looking for the most part but in N scale there is nothing in that time period.

[eric220]

(Also, I knew if I mentioned "Pennsy" in the thread title it'd get 20 kabillion more hits on RW than if I said, "Really Cool Pre-1900's Stuff!!" 

Hook, line, and sinker...   

[e cox]

Thanks M.C. and glad you all like the coal jimmies. They work pretty well with FVM metal wheels and tungsten putty under some coal. Just wish I could add the operating rod detail like the HO one.

A minor correction: the jimmy brake staff is .010 wire since it looks better than a printed detail (careful with the holes). The redesign is in the brakewheel. Shapeways can and has printed a decently scaled one but they insist that all of its details must have a 0.6mm diameter, so the thing looks like a doughnut now. Same problem prevents the replacement 4-4-0 pilots, cabs and some bombay cupolas from printing consistently. I'll likely make a photoetch brakewheel, with some links and pins, for now the Detail Associates 8406 set has some wheels that work.

The Pennsy round end monitor car is an updated version of a mid-1850s car, it was common to retrofit older plain arched roof cars with clerestories. Almost all the original cars on the West coast were so modified by the latter 60s with the exception of baggage cars. Also did it without monitor as seen in Abdill's Civil War RRs page 57.

If you like even older stuff I've an 1845 Eaton & Gilbert car, one for the Wurttemberg Rwys with iron trucks (lasted until 1890s), and one as seen in a Jackson & Sharp Collection (Delaware Archives) photo of New Jersey RR/Pennsy trade-in with wood/rubber trucks about 1870. Also have some interiors for the Bachmann Old Timers and a couple other newer coaches and a baggage coming.

The 1856 B&O boxcar is a little old for most, but working on something more 1870ish. MTL's USMRR round roof cars are good for the 60s anyway.

To answer the pot hopper question, yes I've had them almost done for over a year, I just need some more testing to get the wheels to negotiate curves, as the prototype relied on an unconventional mounting where each pair of axles just wracked and slopped their way about a sideframe pivot. This is really only a problem for the HO version, the N wheelbase if kept fixed is only an inch, which with some slop is okay for a 12" radius or so, kinda like the Atlas mogul/4-4-0 tender wheels. The rivets are giving problems too, so they might have to go.


B&O decals? A friend in Germany will have some to fit the 1856 B&O Tyson coach and Wurttemberg kits. Lettering is a guess pre-1860s, luckily there are good pics from the 1858 Artists' Excursion, but of course lettering doesn't show. I'm not about to add all the striping and drop shadowing.

Shapeways is rather a mess, great for posting photos but hard to search or organize. I gotta spend some time making a proper site but keep making new stuff instead.

Eric
Panamint Models

[jmlaboda]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PZ1Yr2a18fU/UXHB9JJ3RHI/AAAAAAAALPY/CRwvMgg12aw/s800/Oregon%2520%2526%2520California%2520-%2520coaches%2520and%2520baggage%2520with%2520monitor%2520roof%2520-%25201870.png

Looking for cars that might be done... well that head-end car in the picture you shared appears to be one of the early baggage - mail - express cars that were at one time very common...

http://cdm15323.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15323coll6/id/2543
http://cdm15323.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15323coll6/id/2548

Jackson & Sharp did a number of triple combines like the one above, with separate sections for baggage, nail and express.

[e cox]

Yes, a headend car like an 1880s 3-door baggage is needed to compliment the Athearn Overlands. Not sure if I'd want to match the Athearn for details to make it fit better in a train, or go after a prototype.
Eric

[VonRyan]

I like the Pennsy coaches, which makes an atlas 4-4-0 look even more tempting to my wallet...
Panamint does excellent stuff and i'm glad to see that he is constantly expanding his product line.


-Cody F.

[sharriso]

We can vouch for Panamint Models.  Lots of his stuff built and painted (and a few things waiting) for our next layout.

    Shawn and Sally Harrison
    - Modeling 1850s B&O

[kelticsylk]

To answer the pot hopper question, yes I've had them almost done for over a year, I just need some more testing to get the wheels to negotiate curves, as the prototype relied on an unconventional mounting where each pair of axles just wracked and slopped their way about a sideframe pivot. This is really only a problem for the HO version, the N wheelbase if kept fixed is only an inch, which with some slop is okay for a 12" radius or so, kinda like the Atlas mogul/4-4-0 tender wheels. The rivets are giving problems too, so they might have to go.

Eric
Panamint Models

Eric,
You are making me regret giving up the original idea for my layout, the Pennsylvania in 1859. I avoided it because the only things available was stuff like the Bachmann 4-4-0's

Maybe I could do a module? Hmmm...

[kelticsylk]

Are those the same as these 10T pots?



Late 1800's: Sounds like a good candidate!
If we both make him an offer he can't refuse (i.e. "ask him") then it might happen!
He does email back when you "contact designer" 

They seem identical. I thought they were a B&O exclusive...What does the CCC stand for?