Pennsy P70 coaches and variations

[CodyO]

What paint would you recommend for the stripes?
Think I'm going to order one so I can try and start working though the kits I have started

[Alwyn Cutmore]

All,

While I have given you the link to the Bob Moore Pen Site I just spoke to Peter Boorman from http://www.peterboormansworkshop.com.au/ and he informs me the ones I have ordered are the Easi Liners Set

Specifically DELUXE EASY-LINER PEN SET
Supplied in a large smart presentation box, with same four styluses 0.25mm 0.50mm 0.75mm and 1.00mm, plus the handle, and ‘W’ rest. Extra in the Deluxe set are four different sized letter templates so you can paint signs, and numbers etc. on your models. Also a syringe is enclosed with the full colour instructions.

It has the four pen heads/styluses and I think he said he sells the for $80.00 AUD. That is considerable less than the Bob Moore Pens. They both work on the same principal except one is his own distributor while the other uses Phoenix Paints who want their cut.

Peter does not have them listed at this point in time and I am up him to get his website up to speed but if you send him an email from his website he will get right back to you.

I am going to try Flouqil paints when I do mine but I will do it on a test sheet first.

http://www.peterspoerermodelengineers.com/cdata/52928/img/52928_2724818i.jpg

If you look down the bottom right corner you can see how the lining is done and get a good overal view of the pens and pen sets.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Al

[Alwyn Cutmore]

Josh,

That is looking good. Now to thin down the profile of the brass a little just lightly run a counter sink drill on it and it will slightly bevel the profile and make it just that little thinner. P70 will look just great.

Regards

Al

[chicken45]

Painted:

[chicken45]

What color should I paint the grab irons for my 50's era coaches?
Tuscan? Black? Silver?

[Alwyn Cutmore]

Hi Josh,

Looking through the photos on Jerry's site at

http://rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-co1702akg.jpg

they would appear to have been painted black new but as the paint wore off they became silver or polished steel.

Then when you look at this photo

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr3612.jpg they appear to have been painted white.

Regards

Al

[jmlaboda]

"they would appear to have been painted black new but as the paint wore off they became silver or polished steel."

Actually i suspect that in both shots they are stainless steel.

[chicken45]

Thanks, Gentlemen!
There are two freshly painted P70s on the cover of one of my books, and the date was 1963. I wasn't sure if this was something that changed through the years.

[chicken45]

I decided to modernize my PBM70.
I know they modernized PB70s, and I couldn't find anything conclusive of PBM70s not being modernized, but this fits my era better and fits in with the rest of my headend cars.
What do yinz all think? Good decision? Bad?

[bbussey]

PBM70s weren't around as long as most of the other sub-classes.  There is some question as to whether or not they remained in service long enough to get upgraded.  They definitely ran on the trucks that came with the Lima model, as opposed to the Kato trucks.

The Lima model also is about three feet too long.  The company rearranged features so that only new side slides for the tooling were needed to go with the standard floor and ends of the body tooling.

[Bob Bufkin]

Didn't the Pittsburger have one of these PBM70s assigned to the end?  You couldn't get a seat on it as it was used for deadheaded crews.

[chicken45]

PBM70s weren't around as long as most of the other sub-classes.  There is some question as to whether or not they remained in service long enough to get upgraded.  They definitely ran on the trucks that came with the Lima model, as opposed to the Kato trucks.

The Lima model also is about three feet too long.  The company rearranged features so that only new side slides for the tooling were needed to go with the standard floor and ends of the body tooling.

Thanks Bryan! II kept all those Lima trucks so swapping them out won't be such a big deal. I too, discovered the car was too long last night when I was measuring for truck placement. It's amazing that you know all these details, especially about the tooling!

I certainly don't want to make a foobie out of this, but I'm trying to think about this logically to fill in the missing gaps of knowledge.

[bbussey]

Thanks Bryan! II kept all those Lima trucks so swapping them out won't be such a big deal. I too, discovered the car was too long last night when I was measuring for truck placement. It's amazing that you know all these details, especially about the tooling!

I certainly don't want to make a foobie out of this, but I'm trying to think about this logically to fill in the missing gaps of knowledge.

Those Lima trucks are based on an older early-20th-century prototype.  They also were used on some of the heavy-duty flats of the time period.  That we haven't seen any photos of the PBM70 riding on trucks of a newer design, such as the prototype the Kato trucks are based on, is another indicator that the class might not have survived into the "modern" heavyweight era.  Dave Vollmer has suggested the PM70 is a better prototype to model for mid-20th century varnish.  I haven't explored what is required to convert the Lima car into a PM70, but that might be an option worth considering.

[chicken45]

Those Lima trucks are based on an older early-20th-century prototype.  They also were used on some of the heavy-duty flats of the time period.  That we haven't seen any photos of the PBM70 riding on trucks of a newer design, such as the prototype the Kato trucks are based on, is another indicator that the class might not have survived into the "modern" heavyweight era.  Dave Vollmer has suggested the PM70 is a better prototype to model for mid-20th century varnish.  I haven't explored what is required to convert the Lima car into a PM70, but that might be an option worth considering.

Do you mean PB70? Jeff Faulkner did one. Looks like he plated over the doors and shaved down the smash panel. A few kept the window, some didn't.

[dougnelson]

Here is my in-progress PB70.  It required some surgery starting with 2 PBM70s.  Note that you have to use 2 PBM70s.  You cannot graft on part of a P70 because the tooling does not match.  I believe that you also cannot mix Lima with Model Power, as they are also different tooling.

The PB70 was much more numerous and commonly seen than the PBM70.  The 1954 PRR Equipment Register lists 109 PB70s (including all sub-classes) and 6 PBM70s.  I do have a nice 1930s photo of a PBM70 as the last car of a passenger local behind a steam loco under the wires somewhere on the corridor.

It is unfortunate that Lima and Model Power did not choose that prototype.  Like the P70 model, the Lima and Model Power PBM70 was tooled from the original "as built" PRR plans from the 1910s.  Most cars were modified by closing car end windows, changing doors, roof vents, and adding airconditioning.  I have yet to add air conditioning equipment from PRR Parts.  Correct Kato trucks have been modified for this car.

It would have also been nice if Lima and Model Power modeled in-service versions rather than the original configuration.  Most cars were modified by the 1930s.  These cars, however, are a great resource and starting point for many PRR passenger cars.   

PB70s were commonly seen through the 1950s and many were also modified with round roofs and other "betterment" changes.