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Scottl

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #780 on: October 07, 2017, 01:38:58 PM »
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More progress this week.  Fascia installed and the east bank covered with Sculptamold.  It looks pretty good to see that side of the layout with a finished edge.

2017-10-07 13.15.53 by Scott L, on Flickr

2017-10-07 13.14.59 by Scott L, on Flickr

2017-10-07 13.13.43 by Scott L, on Flickr

The landing where the maintenance bridge will be:

2017-10-07 13.13.07 by Scott L, on Flickr

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #781 on: October 07, 2017, 02:26:53 PM »
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very very cool...how are the Thompson canyon rock faces made?
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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #782 on: October 07, 2017, 02:39:28 PM »
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Mostly patched together plaster casts from custom molds.  There is a lot of good mold rock north of Kingston with great facets that scale down effectively.

There is one small section made from a mold that I made from a 3D print generated from a laser scan of a rock cut from a spot near Hell's Gate.  A colleague is working on this section for rock slide research and they have both canyons measured in detail from the air and select sites on the ground.  It has a lot of potential for really specific rock features but is a bit over the top for normal modelling efforts.
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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #783 on: October 07, 2017, 06:38:09 PM »
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Awesome work, it looks so much like the Thompson River canyon that it's instantly recognizable to anyone who's been through the area.

And yes, modelling prototype rock formations is a little over the top...

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #784 on: October 08, 2017, 03:09:40 PM »
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Thanks Geoff.  Yes, I left the 3D rock modelling at the office after that experiment.  It was three levels of nerd in one.

Digging through (well, finally organizing is a better word for it...) photos from the summer.   Here is a great panorama shot from the landing at Skoonka.  The river was at full flood and the place was as green as I have ever seen it.

2017-05-28 13.14.56 by Scott L, on Flickr

I had expected to just lay down a ground cover of tall yellow grass, but reality suggests a different palette of colour and texture for spring.  That sagebrush colour is a tricky one to do- ideas?

2017-05-28 13.04.05 by Scott L, on Flickr


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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #785 on: October 08, 2017, 03:33:24 PM »
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I had expected to just lay down a ground cover of tall yellow grass, but reality suggests a different palette of colour and texture for spring.  That sagebrush colour is a tricky one to do- ideas?

How about the Noch grey scatter material? https://www.noch.com/en/product-categories/model-landscaping/grass-meadows-fields/scatter-material/scatter-material-grey-08375.html
I have not seen it in person but it is at least not green.
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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #786 on: October 08, 2017, 04:03:58 PM »
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Thanks, that looks promising but it is always hard to know how these will look from online photos.

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #787 on: October 08, 2017, 05:52:12 PM »
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That is gorgeous country isn't it. You might be able to simulate the Sagebrush with a little paint. I suggest using something along the lines of a Woodlands Scenics coarse green (probably the lightest green shade, and maybe not coarse; I can't remember how lumpy this stuff is). Glue in place as you would normally, and when dried brush over the green with an appropriate sage colour. An experiment worth a try...
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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #788 on: October 08, 2017, 06:48:11 PM »
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How about something like what is done on this page.  Faux fur based.

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/brush/

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #789 on: October 08, 2017, 06:51:14 PM »
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These are both great ideas, thanks.  I think some experiments are in order.  I also have quite a lot of materials to work with and I am sure I can come up with a paint mix to match.

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #790 on: October 14, 2017, 04:42:56 PM »
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While I wait for static grass to dry, I have started the artwork for etches for the suspension bridge.  These are getting close, but I wonder if the detail is too fine to be picked up by the etching?  I don't want to go to really thin metal, but I think I might need to in order to preserve the chain link and other details.

The suspension bridge will be composed of a laminated set of side panels that connect underneath the walkway.  The walkway will be composed of individual styrene "boards".  There will be a contiguous metal web underneath the boards so I can solder the sides to something and give it more strength.

Bridge span by Scott L, on Flickr

The access barrier on the east bank is interesting, in part because of the graffiti and neglect.  The chain link webbing is mostly to scale, but I fear it will disappear in the etch tank.  I will make a set without so I can always use fabric if necessary.

Barrier by Scott L, on Flickr

These should be done soon and ordered.   I am considering stainless steel for strength, but can I solder this with normal solder?

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #791 on: October 14, 2017, 07:35:19 PM »
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Looking very good Scott. I doubt if you can solder stainless with regular solder like we use in MRRing.
Might have to jump on the web and check it out.
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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #792 on: October 14, 2017, 09:29:31 PM »
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Out of curiosity, I did a little googling.    It appears you can use silver solder and specific fluxes.   I see mention of 'Easy Flow' often.    If you google 'soldering stainless steel jewelry', I think you'll find something that guides you down the correct path.

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #793 on: October 15, 2017, 06:44:11 AM »
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While I wait for static grass to dry, I have started the artwork for etches for the suspension bridge.  These are getting close, but I wonder if the detail is too fine to be picked up by the etching?  I don't want to go to really thin metal, but I think I might need to in order to preserve the chain link and other details.

The suspension bridge will be composed of a laminated set of side panels that connect underneath the walkway.  The walkway will be composed of individual styrene "boards".  There will be a contiguous metal web underneath the boards so I can solder the sides to something and give it more strength....

...These should be done soon and ordered.   I am considering stainless steel for strength, but can I solder this with normal solder?

@Scottl  , for soldering structures in N-scale, you need a solder that is much stronger than the typical lead/tin combination you get for electronics.  The best for the models I build (track, locomotives, trackside structures, rolling stock, etc.) is available from H&N Electronics and is their 96/4 Tin/Silver solid core solder.  I use this for all the metals I use, which are copper, nickel silver, stainless, brass, and bronze. This silver-bearing solder is 5 times stronger than 60/40 Tin/Lead solder.

The flux I use for nickel silver, copper, brass and bronze is also available from H&N Electronics and is Superior Supersafe No. 30 gel and liquid.  This flux is self-neutralizing, so doesn't "require" rinsing with hot water, but on anything I can put under a tap over a sink, I still rinse.  On my in-place track repairs, I can't rinse, and I've never had an oxidation problem with it in over 25 years, so I guess that means it REALLY IS "self-neutralizing".

I use the gel for localized applications such as the horizontal PCB tie locations where I'm soldering both stock rail and adjacent closure points, strictly limiting the flow of solder by drawing a line on the PCB tie's copper surface with a #2 pencil (solder won't flow over a pencil mark), and using the gel so that it doesn't flow over the pencil line, which negates the barrier qualities of pencil graphite.

For stainless, I use the same H&N 96/4 Tin/Silver solder, but switch to Superior No. 78 Soldering Flux gel, which also works with the other metals I use, but requires washing with hot water because it isn't "self-neutralizing".

For the vast majority of my metal model making projects, I stick with the Superior Supersafe No. 30 flux, and have used it (with difficulty) for soldering thin stainless running boards on a couple of models before I ordered the Superior No 78 flux, which makes soldering SS a cinch, both to itself and to brass, bronze, copper and nickel silver.

Let me emphasize that I have been employed as a commercial and industrial model maker for several research and aerospace industries (Battelle Laboratories, Thiokol, ATK) and for myself, and have experimented with different types of soldering techniques as well as many different types of both solders and fluxes. 

The two most significant things that I did to VASTLY improve my soldering on models was the purchase of a 250W American Beauty Resistance Soldering Station, and using Superior Supersafe No. 30 gel/liquid flux for soldering brass/bronze/nickel silver/copper. Of these two significant things, the discovery and use of Superior Supersafe No. 30 flux was more important.

For years in the past, I hand-made my N-scale turnouts as well as my Code-40 trackage, and used Superior Supersafe No. 30 gel/liquid and an old Realistic 40W soldering iron, with 96/4 Tin/Silver solder, and those joints have remained strong and unoxidized under paint and ballast for over 25 years.

For my locomotives and rolling stock, I started out using different melting point solders and traditional fluxes, and used both a couple of irons and a jeweler's oxy-acetylene micro torch to progressively solder parts to each other and not melt the previous solder joints.  I can't tell you how many brass and nickel-silver parts I melted or lost using this traditional soldering process.

Along came Superior Supersafe No. 30 flux and my resistance soldering station at around the same time, and suddenly I could clamp and solder simultaneously, apply heat in an exponentially more localized and controlled manner on both fragile parts and big brass boiler castings.

The last brass project I did involving soldering stainless parts to brass was modifying an old Hallmark "Welded U.P. Caboose" to properly represent a U.P. CA-8.  I used both Superior Supersafe No. 30 and No. 78 (for soldering the Plano SS running boards to brass supports) along with my resistance soldering station to solder small diameter parts to the thick body etchings and castings of the stock caboose model.

These products are available here:  https://www.hnflux.com/index.html

I can't recommend the Superior flux products strongly enough.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore

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Re: Cisco Bridges: a new layout concept
« Reply #794 on: October 15, 2017, 08:48:34 AM »
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Thanks Bob, I see that the flux for stainless is the key.  I have the Sn/Ag solder already and I am sure I can track a local distributor down as it is hazardous and can't be shipped out of country from H+N.  I will try the No 30 flux for brass though, it looks promising and it is non-hazardous so it ships anywhere.