When is Floquil Reefer Yellow not Reefer Yellow?

[Zox]

Since when does  fine craftsmanship and prototypically accurate modeling  remove the fun from the hobby?

Perhaps when the cost and/or difficulty of meeting someone else's standards of "fine" and "accurate" exceeds one's pain threshold?

[Dave Schneider]

Tony,

Thanks for tracking this down with Testors.  I appreciate your efforts and hopefully they will get the message that it does them no good to produce a color chart with MANY issues that go WAY beyond the previously discussed problems with monitors etc...

Best wishes, Dave

[bill pearce]

Rob,

Who said anyting about meeting someone else's standards? I meet my own, which are high enough for anyone. That's where it's fun, each model is the very very best I can make it, and I expect each one to be better than the last.

Bill

[robert3985]

Rob,

Who said anyting about meeting someone else's standards? I meet my own, which are high enough for anyone. That's where it's fun, each model is the very very best I can make it, and I expect each one to be better than the last.

Bill

I agree.  100%

[randgust]

Wow, has this had topic drift.   What I asked, and got answered very well, was if Floquil had actually changed their formula, which apparently they haven't, because I had no faith in the online color chart > Monitor > eyeball relationships to begin with.   But pretty much any modeler that has purchased Pollyscale Reefer Yellow can tell me if it's the same yellow it always was from Floquil with that name, or if they actually changed it when it came out as Pollyscale.   I've seen Floquil change colors before.

I've also seen Floquil get colors just completely, totally wrong.  My old favorite (no longer made) was "Weyerhauser Green".  I did my Quality Craft all-door boxcar in that in 1975, confident that even if I didn't know what the car color should be, painting it in that color would be correct.  When I actually got to see a car for myself, it wasn't even CLOSE - the real "Weyerhauser Green" was more toward an olive-green, the stuff I got was more like a dark BN green, way off the color wheel.  Welcome to the world of subjective color and Floquil.   Microscale also has paint recommendations on their decal sheets that are way, way, way off - the latest was a recommendation for "D&H Avon Blue" for ALY diesel units, that's not even close, way too light and too blue, and I have the ALY units in my back yard to prove it. 

While color is EXTREMEMLY subjective, the issue at hand isn't if it's the right color, wrong color, represented color - it's did the manufacturer change it between solvent and brand forumulations?   And thanks to you guys, I don't think they did, good news, because I really don't like the solvent stuff anymore and original Polly S is like ceiling paint it is so thick.  And yeah, that's the most blatant color misrepresentation on a color chart I've ever seen. 

Reminds me of the old joke:  "Hey, how's your wife?"   Answer:  "Compared to what?"   Well in this case, or the color charts, there are plenty of 'yellows' that are 'yellows', so it's not like they can't print yellow.  This one is more like they sampled entirely the wrong jar and used Depot Buff or something.   And deserve to be called out for it.

Somewhere in the distant past - maybe on the Atlas forum, there was an online test to see how good your eye color sensitivity really was.  I remember people posting their scores on it, I didn't score perfect, but almost.  A lot of people got perfect scores, there are some good eyes here from some of the best modelers, no surprise to me.   And to me, color is important, in many cases more important than stuff like C80 vs C55 or flange depth.   That artistic look and feel of color, texture, lighting, yeah, it's important.   Subjective to be sure, but at least for me, I confess to being far fussier about color, texture, weathering  than about a lot of typical model railroad detail or prototype issues.   I repaint all my Intermountain ATSF stuff because it is 'too blue' compared to Santa Fe blue, that's the level of fussiness I feel, that's just me.   And that first batch of Intermountain ATSF cabooses was way off for color, second batch was close enough if it was weathered.

[Chris333]

http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77&lang=en

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I got a 21 

[Scottl]

Thanks, that was an interesting test.  I scored 12, my weakness seems to be blue-green transition.  I guess I am good to judge Reefer Yellow!

[peteski]

That was an interesting test.  Looks like my eyes are still working ok. 

[DKS]

Dayam... my hands may be crapping out, but my eyes are still on the money...

[wcfn100]

I got a 21 

You probably need your monitor calibrated.



Jason

[Scottl]

I think we need a new thread with a poll to see how the RW folk test up...

[Zox]

Zero (perfect) score here as well. Then again, I used the draggable-box feature to do pair-wise comparisons all the way across each row ("better one or better two?"), so I may have been cheating.

[wcfn100]

so I may have been cheating.

This isn't the first time we've had this here so many results will be from people who have done it before.  So cheating is not a worry.

Jason

[Chris333]

In the photo I posted of my test. At home I can see a few that are out of place so I would probably score higher if I took more time.

But here at work the out of place ones don't pop out to me so this must be a Testors monitor 

BTW we have an x-rite densitometer here at work.

[robert3985]

I'm not going to try it until I can see it on something other than my burned-in NEC CRT, which has the Windows "Bliss" desktop burned into the phosphors.