Author Topic: Bulbs for those cheap clamp on silver flood reflectors you get at Lowe's/HD  (Read 2448 times)

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wazzou

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Per the subject: Clamp on light reflectors and the quest for a good bulb...

I'm wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good bulb that can be used to throw some soft light on a subject for taking pictures. 
I have a good Nikon Body and a great Macro Lens as well as a separate SB-800 Flash. 
What I am trying to avoid are shadows if possible.
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I have 2 Phillips (!) CFLs that I stumbled upon listed with 5000 degrees K light characteristics. They are well over a year old, so not sure of model etc
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Go to your local ReStore and buy a bunch of different bulbs for a quarter each.

I like frosted indoor floods.
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You could use a piece of white board off to one side to bounce light into the field of view. With a little experimenting with your flash and poster board, you can probably eliminate shadows. Give it a try before buying whatever assortment of floodlights.


Hmm... I've had enough
of floods...


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Reveal bulbs are good for natural light. The white board is another idea that sounds good.

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I use a couple of warm white 150 w equivalent CFLs, works OK...I've tripod mounted the reflectors...
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I bought some 150W-equivalent CFLs. They were supposed to light my garage, but ended up in the cheap reflectors, and are much safer than the old 300W or more photofloods. I use a white autobalance on a Nikon D90, and am having no problems with color shift or balance when used with the SB-800. I've also found the SB-800, with the diffusion hood, and the flash bounced off a ceiling or white card, is powerful enough to light a fairly big scene quite evenly, although I've had to fiddle with the angle. I've always been amazed at the sound of the SB-800 going off at full power--I think I should have been transported into the future! :)

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Actually, the "Reveal" brand and other neodynium bulbs have a very odd color spectrum. They have a CRI of around 70 (100 is ideal, and about what a Halogen bulb can do).  They don't have an even spectrum at all and will make lots of colors look a little off.
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Isn't the color temperature pretty much standard information on the CFL (or even halogen or LED) package these days? I think the manufacturers are making a real effort to educate buyers about color temperature and what it means. I know some of these bulbs have weird color spectra, but I've been shooting (way, way too many) family events the past five years, and really haven't seen many color shifts at all. I suspect anything newer than a Nikon D70 (which is what, seven years old?) just won't have a problem with light balance, or even a weird light spectrum. My old cell phone camera, with a lens about the size of a pin, has no problem.

I guess I just don't see where anyone is having a problem with color balance these days.

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It is not the color temperature - it is the CRI rating.  We have a thread on this going in the DCC/Electronic forum.  Low CRI rating will usually results in some colors looking a bit off.  But no only to the camera - to your eye too. So if (even with thos poor CRI lights) your eyes don't see anything wrong with the objects you're photographing, then the camera will just show those colors the way you see them.
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I used daylight corrected flourescent bulbs. Higher wattage the better. You'll have to adjust exposure compensation a bit as your camera will try and meter off of the bright white and turn it grey on you (with daylight corrected bulbs, warm or cool bulbs will give your background a darker orangish or darker bluish color instead of grey). Either way you're going to have to go into photoshop to do some tweaking. Once you get it dialed in though you can get some great shots:


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In my long years of taking model photos, the best results I've achieved have been with incandescent bulbs of 150W or more, which I buy at my local photography store of varying color temps.  Of course, if you're not looking to imitate a prototype scene (and the accompanying light) and looking for "shadowless", flat lighting, I've recently had excellent results with 5,000K CFL's mounted in cheap reflector fixtures for eBay "product" shots of motive power I was offering for sale.

After the aforementioned post where CRI was 'splained to me (thanks Peteski), now I know why I like the color coming off of photo-incandescents more than off of any fluorescent or LED source I've used and when I'm being hyper-critical.

My advice is to put good photo-incandescents (for the best color) in your cheap reflectors and bounce them off of something to diffuse the light.  If you've got room, and something to hold it with, a big reflector of white illustration board over your subject will give you a lot fewer shadows and "confine" the light coming off your cheap fixtures.  If space limits the use of the illustration board reflector, use the ceiling if it's close and "white" enough.

You're going to find that the cheap silver reflectors generate hot spots in your photos because of their unscientifically shaped reflector surfaces,  especially if you back off a bit.  To minimize that, buff the shiny surface with coarse emery paper, coarse steel wool, or coarse 3M pads. Sometimes they have a clear, anodized surface, which makes the buffing more difficult.

The advice to use white paper "reflectors" is good advice to fill in the shadows, but review your results on your camera's screen and move the reflectors to get the results you like the best.  I find that too much "fill" looks markedly artificial and my best results are to not attempt to completely eliminate shadows, as they help define the shape of my subject.

If you have Photoshop, the pull-down menu under "image" will allow you to fiddle with shadows and highlights.  I use this feature a lot. Several other less expensive photo editing programs have similar tools.

The following advice probably defeats the whole ideal of using "cheap" silver reflectors, but I'm gonna give it anyway since, like me, you are a Nikonian.

For a more complex setup, I sometimes use my SB900 and SB800 with a combination of diffusers such as a Gary Fong (garyfong.com) Light Sphere Universal-Clouds, which fit over the top of both the SB900 and SB800 and are intended to imitate cloudy, flat light.  I also use the Gary Fong "Puffer" which is a diffuser that clips on to your hot-shoe and fits in front of your pop-up, on-camera flash.  It's a great little accessory, and will virtually eliminate hot-spots and the shadow that longer lenses create when taking close-in photos. Nikon's Creative Lighting System (CLS) makes using multiple Nikon Speedlights remotely and cordlessly  a cinch.  If your Nikon body is capable of using its pop-up flash in "commander mode" then that, and your SB800, combined with the Gary Fong "Puffer" (or equivalent diffuser) can give you some great high-key, virtually shadowless shots, with lights that are all exactly the same CRI and color temp.

I also have a couple of Nikon Micro lenses, but I find that for most of my model photography, I am using my DX Nikkor 80-200mm zoom. Its close-focusing and zoom capabilities make composition very fast, and in my limited space in my layout room, I simply cannot back up enough for overall shots with even my 60mm Micro, so the 18-200 gets used most of the time. If you have a "kit" zoom lens, give it a try.  You'll be pleased with the results.

Unless I'm shooting for publication in a magazine, which I shoot in NEF (Nikon RAW), I have been cutting the "quality" down to "small, normal" jpg files for quick uploading to Picasa then posting online.  The file size is perfectly adequate for viewing on a monitor, and NEF files coming out of my D7000 take up a LOT of disc space, especially if I shoot NEF and jpg simultaneously...which I usually do. In some instances, smaller is better...at least more efficient.

Here's a shot at Echo Curve of a dark subject, with shadows uncorrected using 5,000K CFL's in my layout lighting.


Here's the same shot after messing with the shadows and getting rid of some "airiness" in Photoshop.


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I ended up getting a 23W/120W equivalent Daylight Compact Fluorescent Flood @Home Depot for $8.97.
It's 1,100 lumens and 5,000K. 
I put it in my clip on reflector and shot just a few shots on my photo diorama and I am pretty happy with the results.

This is right from the camera and just re-sized.

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I ended up getting a 23W/120W equivalent Daylight Compact Fluorescent Flood @Home Depot for $8.97.
It's 1,100 lumens and 5,000K. 

Those are exactly the same CFL's I use for my layout lighting, and I'm generally happy with the results I'm getting on my D7000's "auto", "daylight" and if I want it warmer, its "cloudy day" color temperature settings.

Although I would be happy with the shot you took, I see some pretty pronounced shadows on the car details, under the car and behind the car.  Is this what you consider to be "avoiding shadows"?

I also notice that the shadow behind the car is really orange.  Did you have incandescent lights on in your room in addition to the 5,000K CFI's?

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Although I would be happy with the shot you took, I see some pretty pronounced shadows on the car details, under the car and behind the car.  Is this what you consider to be "avoiding shadows"?

I also notice that the shadow behind the car is really orange.  Did you have incandescent lights on in your room in addition to the 5,000K CFI's?

This was a grab shot staged in my kitchen with the reflector/lamp clipped to the ball on top of our stainless paper towel holder.   
So, in that sense, I am happy with the photo.   :D
I have one hood reflector thus bought one bulb to test in it at this point. 
The color rendition is pretty spot on and the shadow in this picture is reminiscent of a boxcar photographed against a hillside with the sun behind the camera.   ;)
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