Another Walthers Difco Dump Car Question

[Kisatchie]

How were Walthers style Difco cars classified? Gondolas? Hoppers?


Hmm... my money's on
gondolas...

[cv_acr]

MWB - ballast cars.

They're definitely not hoppers, as although they're technically self-clearing, they do not have bottom outlets.

[Bremner]

Gondolas...since they are side dump, not bottom dump

[nkalanaga]

"Gondolas...since they are side dump, not bottom dump"  So, just to be annoying, what are GS (bottom dump) gons classed as?

And, more seriously, what would a hopper-bottom gondola be?  The GN had some in the 72000-72499 series.  They had longitudinal doors like a ballast hopper, but solid floors over the trucks instead of a hoppers slope sheets, so were not self clearing.  They were built in 1926, and some lasted, in revenue service, long enough to acquire consolidated stencils.  The GN freight car books by Four Ways West class them as hoppers, and their AAR class was HK, so legally they're hoppers.

[Leggy]

Drop bottom gondolas I think is the 'technical' name.

[wcfn100]

"Gondolas...since they are side dump, not bottom dump"  So, just to be annoying, what are GS (bottom dump) gons classed as?

And, more seriously, what would a hopper-bottom gondola be?  The GN had some in the 72000-72499 series.  They had longitudinal doors like a ballast hopper, but solid floors over the trucks instead of a hoppers slope sheets, so were not self clearing.  They were built in 1926, and some lasted, in revenue service, long enough to acquire consolidated stencils.  The GN freight car books by Four Ways West class them as hoppers, and their AAR class was HK, so legally they're hoppers.

There is no requirement that gondolas dump to the side. Gondolas can dump where ever they want, sort of like bears.

Gondolas have level floors and hoppers have hopper floors.  There's not much more to it.

Jason

[Cajonpassfan]

So, a question:
when did the Difco cars first come into production?
Thanks, Otto

[Philip H]

There is no requirement that gondolas dump to the side. Gondolas can dump where ever they want, sort of like bears.

ROTFLMAO

[wcfn100]

So, a question:
when did the Difco cars first come into production?

Off hand, I think the Walther's cars are from the 70's.  But side dump cars go back the start of the last century. 

Jason

[Kisatchie]

Off hand, I think the Walther's cars are from the 70's.

I tried to find the difco cars on Mark's (Spookshow's) site under both "gondolas" and "open hoppers," but didn't see them:

http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/freight/freight.html

I'd like to know if they were in use in 1971.


Hmm... I'd like to know
how much bananas cost
per pound in 1971...

[CrazyLynx]

I tried to find the difco cars on Mark's (Spookshow's) site under both "gondolas" and "open hoppers," but didn't see them:

http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/freight/freight.html

I'd like to know if they were in use in 1971.

http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/freight/walthersdifco.html

[Kisatchie]

http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/freight/walthersdifco.html

My eyes are going, brain's drying up, getting old...


Hmm... among other
things...

[sdodge]

I have them listed as AAR class GM, "Gondola with mechanical dumping".

[cv_acr]

Gondolas have level floors and hoppers have hopper floors.  There's not much more to it.

Actually there is.

Gondola:
http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cr504263&o=conrail
(it has the shape and slope sheets of a hopper, but a fixed bottom)

[cv_acr]

Spookshow's site there says "I'm not sure what, if any, prototype this car represents"

It's actually right in the name of the model. DIFCO is the name of the builder, not the car type.

The prototype for the "DIFCO Dump Car" is a side-dump car built by DIFCO. 

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=bn96614&o=bn