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GP38-2freak

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I found some pictures of CP Rail GP-9 8695 which I have as Atlas model
http://tophobbytrains.com/browseproducts/48344-GP-9-CP-Rail-%28Red-White-Black%29-8695-%28N-Scale%29.HTML

Now I find that the louvers, dynamic brake blisters and grills should be blackened like it was on its prototypical counterpart, the real #8695

http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/CP%208600A/CP%208695-3.jpg

Now my question which may sound unlogical but I really have no idea what to do to do not damage the factory paint job?
Another question is, how to mount a winterization hatch on this unit, do I have to sand away roof details?

Thanks for answers

Tim

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I usually use a thin wash of black to color those areas, small amounts several coats. I use the 2-4 teaspoon measuring cups that come with liquid cough syrup, fill them halfway with water and then add a couple "brushfulls" of Polly scale black to the water until it is just dark enough to settle on to the surface and color it. Then I add it to grills and fans in several light coats to darken the recess. As far as the winterization hatch goes the old sunrise part would fit right over the Atlas fan, when my stock of those is gone I have some Miniatures by Eric parts to try instead, I will try to get one out and see how it fits later this weekend and report back.

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I usually use a thin wash of black to color those areas, small amounts several coats. I use the 2-4 teaspoon measuring cups that come with liquid cough syrup, fill them halfway with water and then add a couple "brushfulls" of Polly scale black to the water until it is just dark enough to settle on to the surface and color it. Then I add it to grills and fans in several light coats to darken the recess. As far as the winterization hatch goes the old sunrise part would fit right over the Atlas fan, when my stock of those is gone I have some Miniatures by Eric parts to try instead, I will try to get one out and see how it fits later this weekend and report back.
I do the exact same thing as Wardie to all my fans/grills.Only thing I'd add,I put a little Isopropyl alcohol in the mix to make it a little wetter,so it flows by itself.I have a permanent mix in a film can..

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I forgot about adding a little alcohol to it, a tiny drop of dish detergent can do the same thing too.

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I use a mix of India ink, water and 91% alcohol.  10-70-20 ratio)  Apply with a small brush to fill the area bd let it dry.  Repeat as necessary to get the desired level of darkness,

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Engine black cut by 50% distilled water, small brush and lots of strokes is what I use to do the vents and rads....Fot the winterization hatch, use an Eric's casting, remove the "bumps" on the leading edge (supposed to be lift hooks ?) and place the hatch on.... works for me.

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« Last Edit: September 18, 2012, 12:58:52 PM by Puddington »
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Pud,

I am glad to hear the Min. by Eric part fits just as easy. My stock of Sunrise hatches is almost gone and I have 3 new Maine Central GP-7's coming in the next batch from Atlas. And of course MEC GP-7's just like Canadian GP-7/9's need winterization hatches.

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First, what do you mean by "...not damage the factory paint job."?  I'm assuming that if you apply any extra paint or weathering to your model, you're "damaging" the factory paint, since it become immediately evident the factory paint job has been modified.

The photos of weathered models look really good, but they might be dirtier than you want.  Although brushing the louvers improves their looks, when you observe the photographs of dirty louvers, you'll see that their darkness is pretty well confined to their rectangular outline, and not just a blob of darkness in the middle of the group of louvers.

Here's what I do to emphasize louvers.

First, I disassemble the body on my Geeps, removing the walkways, handrails and cab.

Then, I de-grease the body using Bestine rubber cement remover, which is available at most art stores.  If you can't find it, a wash of mildly soapy warm water will do the trick, but you have to let it dry overnight, or air-dry it with compressed air.

Next, I mask off the louvers and vents so they are exposed and everything I don't want to blacken is masked.  This gives you nice, straight, square edges and sharply defines the areas you are going to blacken...just like the photo you provided.

I use my airbrush to dust on a layer of flat black acrylic paint such as Floquil Polly Scale grimy black, or engine black.

Then, I use a paper towel dampened (not soaked) with alcohol to lightly wipe the black dusting off the tops of the louvers.  You can also airbrush your vents too and wipe them, but I usually brush paint them.  You need to do this after the paint has dried, but has not yet cured...like five minutes after you've sprayed it.

Next, if my reference photos say I should do this, I'll spray a really light coat that allows the stock body color to show through on the louvers. If you get it too thick, just do the wiping trick again.

Next, you can usually brush paint the vents and fans since they have structures around them to guide your brush.  I also do the wiping trick with them after the paint has dried

Next, I take off the masking tape, reassemble the body and weather it up with washes, more airbrushing or powdered pastels...to whatever dirtiness I think looks appropriate.

If I've got the louvers, vents, and fans too dark and they've cured, I use a new pink rubber eraser to lightly rub those places and remove paint until I'm happy with the results.

In my opinion, the sharp lines that masking gives the darkening of the louvers, vents and fans gives the bodies a more prototypical look than just hitting the middle of these items with a blob of weathering, although the blob weathering looks better than no weathering.

This masking and wiping technique works really well for light-bodied Kato F-3's. 

Here's a shot of some detailed up Katos I painted several years ago using these techniques, but layering the darkness in three consecutive un-maskings.


If you don't have an airbrush, you can do this using flat black model paint in spray cans, and using paint thinner instead of alcohol to dampen your paper towel.  It requires a very light touch however.

Good luck!  Weathering for the first time is always an intimidating jump into the dark, but very rewarding especially if you start weathering using specific prototype photos as guides for your efforts.

Cheers!
Bob Gilmore

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I found a video on youtube that might be of interest.  The guy is using one of those paint markers and does a pretty decent job.  here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzHdNCYeFU

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Puddy--I really like the look of those geeps.  Being a Milwaukee Road fan I share your love of equipment that rarely saw the wash rack.
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I do exactly what Bob says to do!


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Looking good!  The straight edges just look more prototypical to my eyes.

Cheers!
Bob Gilmore

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Very cool, tomorrow I will buy masking tape and then I will make it her dirty...