Model Power 4-6-2??

[peteski]

Yes, lots of MP steamer parts are interchangable.

As far as Bullfrog Snot goes, maybe we should start a MABFSS (Modelers Against Bull Frog Snot) group?    Count me in as I also think that there is no substitution for a grooved driver with a real traction tire installed.  The liquid traction tire idea never appealed to me and the few unbiased reviews I've read confirmed that this product is not as miraculous as the high-pressure sales testimonials on its website would lead to believe.  I get turned off by the "ginsu knives" type of sales tactics.  If something is *THAT* amazingly wonderful, then everybody would own one... 

[Kisatchie]

...I get turned off by the "ginsu knives" type of sales tactics.  If something is *THAT* amazingly wonderful, then everybody would own one... 

Hmm... I have a quart of
bullfrog snot, and I don't
even have any locos...

[peteski]

Hmm... I have a quart of
bullfrog snot, and I don't
even have any locos...

Oooh la la! How about
a date, Ms. Dee? All that
Bull Frog Snot talk gets me
all hot and steamy!

[Lemosteam]

K...  I wasn't starting a BFS discussion, I don't think there are tt drivrs available, so I don't know what else to do?

[peteski]

K...  I wasn't starting a BFS discussion, I don't think there are tt drivrs available, so I don't know what else to do?

Did you actually call and talk to Mike from Model Power parts dept? He will talk your ear off but he is a very nice and helpful guy!  As far as TT drivers go, you might have to do some swapping. IIRC, for 4-4-0 I had to get the TT driver for 4-6-2 loco then since the gears are different I had to pull the TT drivers off and install the 4-6-2 drivers on the 4-4-0 axle (and quarter them properly in relation to the gear.

I'm going from memory here but I think that's how this conversion has to be done.  I wonder if by now MP might have TT drivers for a 4-4-0 (since Micro Trains had a batch of them made for their special run set).

[mmagliaro]

Yes, the TT drivers for the 4-6-2 are still available.
You can call Model Power between 9 am and noon EST, and ask for Mike the parts guy, and he'll fix you up.

I bought 2 within the last 6 months.

I used Loctite on all my driver axles, once I fixed the quartering and it seems to do the trick.

[Mark5]

I have one of the 4-6-2s. The tender pickup was stupid (1970s style). Not a biggie as the loco I plan to build needs a USRA long hand me down tender. The Bachmann USRA long with its excellent pickup solved that prob.

Test runs were pretty good - the gearing must be good as it was able to run smoothly at low speeds, even with the crappy 3 pole motor.

Mark

[peteski]

... it was able to run smoothly at low speeds, even with the crappy 3 pole motor.

Mark

Um, excuse me?!  This sounds like something Victor Miranda would say.    First of all, not all 3-pole motors are crappy. But that is a subject for another debate which has already (few times) been beaten to death on the Atlas forum. To be honest, I don't know if this is a 3 or 5-pole motor (as it is a can motor). But I can tell you that it is a Mashima motor made in Japan (or so the label on it states).  It looks to be pretty decent quality, it runs smoothly and has plenty of torque. For all the things that can be wrong with these models, the motor isn't one of them.

[Chris333]

Bull Dog Snot...  You know Tony Koster mentions it in the newest MR to get his Berks to pull 30 cars 

[Mark5]

Um, excuse me?!  This sounds like something Victor Miranda would say.    First of all, not all 3-pole motors are crappy. But that is a subject for another debate which has already (few times) been beaten to death on the Atlas forum. To be honest, I don't know if this is a 3 or 5-pole motor (as it is a can motor). But I can tell you that it is a Mashima motor made in Japan (or so the label on it states).  It looks to be pretty decent quality, it runs smoothly and has plenty of torque. For all the things that can be wrong with these models, the motor isn't one of them.

Pete, surely some are better than others. I've yet to see one that does not cog at slow speeds though. In the MP loco gearing effectively negates this for me. If you wish to pursue this conversation take it to the crew room or something. Or email me directly.

Mark

[Philip H]

Bull Dog Snot...  You know Tony Koster mentions it in the newest MR to get his Berks to pull 30 cars 

Bull Frog Snot, not Bull Dog

[UP4-8-8-4]

    People either like or dislike BullFrog Snot ----------------------------   
Personally I like and use it all the time.
Just gotta apply a very thin even coat on the drivers surface, allow to dry overnight, then do a couple Funny Car burnouts on a long section of track to condition the Snot.
I'm not saying I don't like TTs as all my engines that has them stays on them.
Only engines both steam & diesel without TTs gets the Snot treatment.
The way I apply it, the engines all run very smooth and have great pulling ability, also lasts a very long time.



Ernie

[peteski]

Pete, surely some are better than others. I've yet to see one that does not cog at slow speeds though. In the MP loco gearing effectively negates this for me. If you wish to pursue this conversation take it to the crew room or something. Or email me directly.

Mark

No thanks Mark, I'm good. I don't wish to get into yet another 3 vs. 5-pole, straight vs. skewed armature, iron-armature vs. coreless motors discussion. I just hate people knocking 3-pole motors just because they have 3 poles.  Like I said, IMO in this particular model, the motor not problematic. Whether it's the gearing, the small flywheel or good quality of the motor itself (or all those things combined), these locomotives run pretty darn well.  The electric pickup can be improved upon, but the mechanism is pretty smooth running.

[absnut]

Though it is not always this way  , I find myself in complete agreement with Petesky on this one.  From MP, I have 5 Pacifics, I Mikado, 3 Moguls, and 2 Americans.... with all of which I am very pleased.  And someday, I might even try a jar of BFS on my slippery Pacific and two Berkshires.  At the moment, the cost outlay prohibits me doing it.

[rdgnut]

As far as Bullfrog Snot goes, maybe we should start a MABFSS (Modelers Against Bull Frog Snot) group?... idea never appealed to me and the few unbiased reviews I've read confirmed that this product is not as miraculous as the high-pressure sales testimonials on its website would lead to believe.  I get turned off by the "ginsu knives" type of sales tactics.  If something is *THAT* amazingly wonderful, then everybody would own one... .

Oh Peteski, this old tune of yours is getting to sound like hate speech.