E33, E44, EF-3 Electrics in FUD (Shapeways)

[eric220]

Ahh but we have a custom rivet solution do we not?  Coming from one who has modeled rivets in CAD, these can make the CAD model much larger in size and complexity than may be necessary.  Maybe that is a reasonable tradeoff if the sandblasting helps to smooth out the stepping...

Rivets aren't the only issues.  On the E44 there are cabinet doors, handles, hinges, and various other small details that would be at risk.  To me, losing or damaging all that relief detail seems to defeat the purpose of getting the shell in the first place.  Might as well scratch it if I'm going to replace all of that.

[eagle5473]

I have a E33 in production from shapeways will post pics once i get it

Aaron

[Lemosteam]

Rivets aren't the only issues.  On the E44 there are cabinet doors, handles, hinges, and various other small details that would be at risk.  To me, losing or damaging all that relief detail seems to defeat the purpose of getting the shell in the first place.  Might as well scratch it if I'm going to replace all of that.

Fair enough, I've never used one (yet)- can the eraser be aimed accurately enough or a mask used to avoid those types of things?

[eric220]

I got a message from Paul Burkitt, the guy who's doing these shells, about the pantographs.  He pointed me to a UK company called Dapol that makes some that are plenty close enough for government work.

http://www.dapol.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=719&category_id=59&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=59

Here's a shot of the CAD drawings:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/27138-n-oo-gauge-pantographs/

As a bonus for those that want to us live catenary, they appear to be functional.

[pennsyfan1361]

Thanks Eric, the Dapol pantograph look like they will work for the E44 just wished they were a matching set instead of an assortment, the one Stone Faiveley  pantograph will work for the E44 and the Metroliner.  The Brecknell-Willis  will not.       Rich     

I got a message from Paul Burkitt, the guy who's doing these shells, about the pantographs.  He pointed me to a UK company called Dapol that makes some that are plenty close enough for government work.

http://www.dapol.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=719&category_id=59&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=59

Here's a shot of the CAD drawings:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/27138-n-oo-gauge-pantographs/

As a bonus for those that want to us live catenary, they appear to be functional.

[Hiroe]

Thanks Eric, the Dapol pantograph look like they will work for the E44 just wished they were a matching set instead of an assortment, the one Stone Faiveley  pantograph will work for the E44 and the Metroliner.  The Brecknell-Willis  will not.       Rich   

Rich,
Just set the Brecknell-Willis ones aside in your parts bins, and save them for the eventual AEM7/ALP44 models.

--Drew

[jmlaboda]

Imperial Hobbies is taking a leap with shells for Budd RDC1 phase II, Budd RDC9 and CN m.u. coaches being in their offerings.  Do not know how good they look, giving the banding issue that has been discussed here and elsewhere, but hopefully this will be a way of modeling these unique passenger cars (and, hopefully, if the resolution is good, other phase II Budd cars yet might be offered as well).

Here is the message that was sent to the N_scale list (forwarded to the N-scale Varnish list)...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/N-scaleVarnish/message/8573

And here is the link to their Shapeways store...
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/ihphobby

[BCR 570]

Wow - RDC Phase IIs are most welcome, particularly if earlier versions are done.  I noticed that this frist RDC-1 shell is specific to the final production years.

Tim

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Eh... Comets? Kawasakis? Where is the modern commuter love?

[screeh]

I'm pleased to see IHP trying this out, although I wouldn't consider the Phase II RDC1 a 'niche' item (the CC&F MU cars, sure).  Now, if someone were to offer Phase II ends for converting Kato RDCs...
 

Eh... Comets? Kawasakis? Where is the modern commuter love?

Have you tried these, Daniel? (and before anyone jumps in: yes, I'm aware that they have received mixed reviews but you could probably buy three of these for the same price as one offered in FUD through Shapeways)
http://islandmodelworks.com/NComets.html

[jmlaboda]

"Now, if someone were to offer Phase II ends for converting Kato RDCs..."

The problem in modeling a Phase II RDC car is that there were some great differences all over the car, not just on the ends.  The radiator bulge was different just as the ends and the ends of the sides... which really requires a complete shell and not just some end parts.

I am really hoping that these cars turn out alright... I believe that there is great potential here but exactly how the renderings turn out will affect whether they will be worth the money or not.  He hopes to have some initial castings done soon with pictures to follow...

[screeh]

The problem in modeling a Phase II RDC car is that there were some great differences all over the car, not just on the ends.  The radiator bulge was different just as the ends and the ends of the sides... which really requires a complete shell and not just some end parts.

I stand corrected - thanks Jerry!

[eagle5473]

Got my E-33 Brick the other day and after a little searching I found the Bestine to soak it in, and thats what its doing now.  Will get some pictures up once it has finished soaking.  The detail is good. There are noticable "cake" lines but should be ok.

Aaron

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Tried and failed.
The resin sucks. the shells are two feet thick and the underframe dosen't match the car, or fit. Awful. Awful. Awful.

I'm pleased to see IHP trying this out, although I wouldn't consider the Phase II RDC1 a 'niche' item (the CC&F MU cars, sure).  Now, if someone were to offer Phase II ends for converting Kato RDCs...
 
Have you tried these, Daniel? (and before anyone jumps in: yes, I'm aware that they have received mixed reviews but you could probably buy three of these for the same price as one offered in FUD through Shapeways)
http://islandmodelworks.com/NComets.html

[eric220]

I got home this afternoon and found a box waiting for me at the front door.  Inside were these little guys from Dapol.



I tried them out on the E44 shell, and here's what I came up with.





Not a perfect match to the prototype, but plenty close enough!