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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1845 on: September 08, 2015, 10:02:04 PM »
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There's no practical way to cut up those windows and stretch the arch, so I don't know how I would do it.  Besides, I don't have enough windows to do them anyway.  Sure, I could try to scratchbuild the transom windows, but that's way beyond my skill set.  I'm also wondering how noticeable the lack thereof will be once the roof overhangs are installed.  Yeah, it will be visible, but to the average person who won't know diddley squat about the real station, is it worth it?  I don't know.  I'm still determining where "good enough" will fall.

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1846 on: September 08, 2015, 10:32:46 PM »
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Dave,

No shame in compromising.  I totally get it.  I think when it's done it'll look just fine.  Honestly you're a better man than I...I would have just used a Walthers Pella depot and been done with it!   :D

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1847 on: September 10, 2015, 07:55:08 AM »
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I've got your pictures and measurements for the bridge details... I know... more homework for you! :trollface:

Trying to navigate this newfangled Windows 8 computer to figure out how the hell to upload pictures... as soon as I have it figured out, I'll post them.

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1848 on: September 10, 2015, 08:37:38 AM »
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@wm3798,

Sweet!  What do you think about the second attempt at the station so far?  I agree that those windows you gave me look 100% better.

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1849 on: September 10, 2015, 09:35:20 AM »
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Very nice.  The bricks might be a tad plump, I usually use Plastruct's 1:220 brick... it's a little finer.

Anyway, here's the bridge info:



This particular bridge crosses US 1 about 9 miles east of Pittsboro.  It's pretty typical of the bridges I see all over NC.  The builder's stamp shows 1957.  I saw another similar bridge marked 1954, so I would say that's a pretty good reference as to when the standard design was developed.  The beam below the bridge (which will vary based on span) is 36" on 48' spans.  Note that the piers are octagonal columns...  I don't know if this is a standard, but it certainly looks like it would be cool, and maybe a lot of work... although the thinking man might deploy some common yellow pencils with a coat of paint to represent them...



Note the curving curb at the end of the structure.  Another neat detail that will help peg your locale.  And don't forget the reflective warning post!


Another look at the curved curb and the builder's plate in the end pillar.

As for dimensions, the vertical columns are 10" x 10", and the railing is 8" wide x 10" high.  The span between the columns on this example is the maximum 8' on center.


As you noted, the railings break at the expansion joint.  In this case, a pair of railings make up 16', and three sets make up a single span of 48"  The height of the railing is 22" above the curb, with the columns being 24" tall.  The curb is 10" tall, so the overall height of the structure is 34", with the rail height at 32" above the roadway.  Note also that the expansion joint follows the angle of the piers at the roadway, but is perpendicular to the railing at the curb.



The pillar at the end, which bears the builder's stamp is 24" wide x 10".  I believe the stamp is located on only one of the end pillars.

You can also see that the curb is wider on the bridge, measuring 16", and extending to 28" at the column bases.  You can also see that every edge of every part of the structure is beveled. 

From what I observed, if your bridge is shorter than 48', then the distance between the columns would shrink accordingly, to maintain the three sets between expansion joint pattern.  i.e.,  a 40' span would result in columns 80" on center.

If you need a scale drawing of the dimensions, I can whip that up, but it won't be for a few days.  Gotta make a living to pay for all these research trips I'm doing for you!

Oh, and just in case you're thinking about extending the line to Southern Pines, I shot a couple of references for you there, too!





Hope this helps!
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1850 on: September 10, 2015, 10:28:51 AM »
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@wm3798,

Thank you for that information.  I'm sure the field trip was fun.  I don't think I need to inconvenience you further with drawing up more plans, because your measurements are sufficiently detailed to give me an idea of what I have to do.  Hopefully, the styrene strips I have are close to the dimensions of the posts and railings.  The pencil idea is ingenious, but I'm not going to tear down this bridge that much, unless the existing railings don't come off cleanly, and I have no choice but to start over from scratch.  Besides, the bridges that I recall from the Winston-Salem area had the usual square or round posts, not octagonal.  So, I think living with the round posts that I have (if the bridge survives the deconstruction) is not unfaithful to the prototype. 

Thanks for the detailed pictures.  I like that curved curb at the end, and I either forgot or never noticed the end post was larger.  You have also confirmed the height of the curb.  I bought material to build a thicker curb, but I chickened out when I built the bridge, because I was afraid it looked too high.  Glad I never took a wheel rim to a 10" curb!

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1851 on: September 10, 2015, 11:04:42 AM »
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No problem!  I was pleasantly surprised to find a bridge with the original concrete deck in reasonably good shape.
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1852 on: September 10, 2015, 11:10:35 AM »
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I think the pencil may be fine for an HO model but would scale out to 4' in diameter in N Scale. 
The detail would be lost in an N Scale model and round stock would provide the illusion necessary, IMO.
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1853 on: September 11, 2015, 08:13:36 AM »
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Very nice.  The bricks might be a tad plump, I usually use Plastruct's 1:220 brick... it's a little finer.

Anyway, here's the bridge info:



This particular bridge crosses US 1 about 9 miles east of Pittsboro.  It's pretty typical of the bridges I see all over NC.  The builder's stamp shows 1957.  I saw another similar bridge marked 1954, so I would say that's a pretty good reference as to when the standard design was developed.  The beam below the bridge (which will vary based on span) is 36" on 48' spans.  Note that the piers are octagonal columns...  I don't know if this is a standard, but it certainly looks like it would be cool, and maybe a lot of work... although the thinking man might deploy some common yellow pencils with a coat of paint to represent them...



Note the curving curb at the end of the structure.  Another neat detail that will help peg your locale.  And don't forget the reflective warning post!


Another look at the curved curb and the builder's plate in the end pillar.

As for dimensions, the vertical columns are 10" x 10", and the railing is 8" wide x 10" high.  The span between the columns on this example is the maximum 8' on center.


As you noted, the railings break at the expansion joint.  In this case, a pair of railings make up 16', and three sets make up a single span of 48"  The height of the railing is 22" above the curb, with the columns being 24" tall.  The curb is 10" tall, so the overall height of the structure is 34", with the rail height at 32" above the roadway.  Note also that the expansion joint follows the angle of the piers at the roadway, but is perpendicular to the railing at the curb.



The pillar at the end, which bears the builder's stamp is 24" wide x 10".  I believe the stamp is located on only one of the end pillars.

You can also see that the curb is wider on the bridge, measuring 16", and extending to 28" at the column bases.  You can also see that every edge of every part of the structure is beveled. 

From what I observed, if your bridge is shorter than 48', then the distance between the columns would shrink accordingly, to maintain the three sets between expansion joint pattern.  i.e.,  a 40' span would result in columns 80" on center.

If you need a scale drawing of the dimensions, I can whip that up, but it won't be for a few days.  Gotta make a living to pay for all these research trips I'm doing for you!

Oh, and just in case you're thinking about extending the line to Southern Pines, I shot a couple of references for you there, too!





Hope this helps!
Lee

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What's up with all the blue question mark boxes? Is there a valid reason for posting photos that require forum members to be logged into Google accounts just so we can see them?
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1854 on: September 11, 2015, 10:16:02 AM »
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Paul, on my i-pad where I am not logged in I have the blue ? mark boxes; on my i-mac where I am logged in I have the pictures.  Could you be viewing not logged in?   Just a thought.  later, Craig

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1855 on: September 11, 2015, 05:15:18 PM »
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Sorry guys, I've been using Google's photo thing for a number of years... I'm not doing anything differently, they keep changing their protocols.  I've got way too much stored in their system to worry about migrating it all somewhere else.  I'm not all that crazy about the way it works now, but that's a discussion for another forum...

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1856 on: September 11, 2015, 05:16:37 PM »
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Sorry guys, I've been using Google's photo thing for a number of years... I'm not doing anything differently, they keep changing their protocols.  I've got way too much stored in their system to worry about migrating it all somewhere else.  I'm not all that crazy about the way it works now, but that's a discussion for another forum...

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If your viewing permissions are set to public, no one should have a problem seeing these.  I can see 'em fine.

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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1857 on: September 11, 2015, 05:20:19 PM »
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Paul, on my i-pad where I am not logged in I have the blue ? mark boxes; on my i-mac where I am logged in I have the pictures.  Could you be viewing not logged in?   Just a thought.  later, Craig

Just to clarify, by logged in I'm NOT referring to Railwire, I'm talking about being logged into (if you even have one) your Google account. Did a quick test where I was:

1.) Logged into Railwire, not logged into Google and I get the blue boxes with question marks instead of photos.
2.) Then just logged into the Google account, refreshed this thread posting and magically the photos now populate in between Lee's paragraphs.

I have no expertise in web coding or HTML, but my layman's guess would be this ===> must be related to the URL of the photo location on the Google hosting site (when your logged into it) and what you paste between the Insert Image brackets over here on The Railwire.  Perhaps the Admins can elaborate
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1858 on: September 11, 2015, 05:41:03 PM »
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(FWIW, I saw the pics fine yesterday, but they're simply not showing up today. Granted, I have my privacy settings to block all Google cookies and meta-cookies, so I expect things to break. But that Lee's pictures worked for me, then didn't, now has me completely puzzled.)
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Re: Seaboard Central 2.0
« Reply #1859 on: September 11, 2015, 07:38:54 PM »
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Gotta love the Googler. The photos now require login.

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