The Canadian Pacific transcontinental train "Dominion"

[Nato]

    "Wozzers !" Pud. As a passenger train Buff Supreme I think you have done a wonderful work on this train. I had the pleasure spending alot of time riding arcoss the country in one of the Hay Wagons in May of 1969 on the Golden Spike Centennial Limited train. The car was painted American Railroads Powder Blue and coupled just ahead of the former PRR later Penn Centrail "Mountain View" Broadway obs car which was used as a VIP car at the end of the train. I was a press photographer for my dad who was a reporter covering the trip for Utah news media and the NY Times. What a thrill riding in that car at close to 90MPH across Wyoming and passing a 20 car "City Of Everywhere" I still have the Super 8 Movies of that  trip transferred to VHS. Again fantastic work on the Canadian Pacific Train. Nate Goodman (Nato).

[eja]

Pud,

Absolutely assume.

I may have asked this before, but  what do recommend that us mere mortals could use a reference should we too want to convert a currently available N scale model into an accurate CPR passenger car?

eja

[Puddington]

Pud,

Absolutely assume.

I may have asked this before, but  what do recommend that us mere mortals could use a reference should we too want to convert a currently available N scale model into an accurate CPR passenger car?

eja

Canadian Pacific passenger modelers are indeed fortunate to have the on line library found in the CP Historical Society website. You have to register, but it's free and the library is a treasure trove of folio's, drawings and information on virtually ever piece of equipment the line had. The folio's are CPR mechancial department drawings that allow you to not only see the layout of the car but I scale them down and use them as a template for making sides and changes to RTR equipment.

The downside of modeling CPR stuff is that the Angus shops built most of the CPR's equipment to their own needs and thus, specs. Pullman plans don't usually match CPR stuff so you have to modify anything you find on the market. This is greatly aided by the folio drawings. There are master equipment lists, series names and all sorts of other useful stuff there.

There are several books that help; most of which are out of print however. I rely on the site for a lot of my research.

The CP Yahoo group is good too; there are some wonderful resources there who are more than happy to answer any questions you pose....

Here's the links:

http://www.cptracks.ca/cpsig/index.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cpsig/

if you have questions that I might be able to help with I'd be happy to try.

Hope that helps 

[skytop35]

Mike,

Nice work and beautiful train. I can appreciate the effort that went into building this consist. My only question is: What train is next on your agenda?

Bill Denton

[Bob Bufkin]

I read an article on naming of passenger cars in Canada several years back.  Talk about the confusion that could occur.  Both CN and CP could have the same name car.  Lets say it's the Puddington.  And to top it off, Pullman cars that operated from the US to Canada could have the same name car.  Bet that system could drive the paper pushers crazy.

[Puddington]

Mike,

Nice work and beautiful train. I can appreciate the effort that went into building this consist. My only question is: What train is next on your agenda?

Bill Denton

Thanks Bill; the next train..

In no specific order....

Canadian National 1970's "Super Continental" - 12 cars complete - re-doing super dome (Stillman shell - in progress) adding two "Dayniter coaches" (Rapido - early 2012 delivery) One club gally car (brass sides) and add atleast two more sleepers and... the "Car with You" high cube auto carrier for the rear (scratchbuild)

Canadian National "Super Continental" 1954 livery (Green gold and black) 13 cars done, add two "Dayniter coaches" (Rapido - early 2012) Proper HW dining car (scratchbuild) add two more sleepers, one LW, one HW.

Great Northern's "Stampeder" (my own named train from Seattle to Calgary via Puddignton Valley, which looks suspiously like the Empire Builder with some extra cars - in BSB) 8 cars done (head end and coach section plus a great dome and club sleeper and "Port of Vancouver" observation). Add four sleepers (2 Glacier, 2 Pass series)(brass sides) and a dining car (on order from Intermountain)

Great Northern unnamed local passenger - 5 cars done (CB&Q express car - converted troop sleeper, two HW coaches, one parlor ,one observation cafe parlor) Add one full baggage - HW GN, One LW baggage - Denton CBQ shell) and one RPO - TBD

Milwaukee Road un named passenger (we're really going out on a limb with this one - in my world the Pacific extention is thriving and Mil Rd is challenging the new BN (old GN and NP trains) with a through passenger to vancouver and connections with the PGE...limb you say Mike...? whooow!) Have 1 12-1 sleeper in red-yellow scheme - adding 1 bagage express (Denton shell) Two coaches (brass sides) one tap lounge (brass sides), one Valley parlor (brass sides), one super dome (Stillman shell) one Skytop Creek sleeper lounge (Stillman shell) and/or one Skytop coach-lounge (Norm Wright half complete custom scratchbuild) All in Armour Yellow livery.

These, plus the "Canadian" when Rapido finally releases it in n scale, (build 2 or 3 converted HW "U" series 14 section tourist sleepers to go with it) and use some of the equipment to fill out the Dominion.

A few PGE passenger car scratch builds are planned, plus the occasional "foreign road" sleepers for the Dominion...

I've got a few projects planned...nothin too it folks...............

[Puddington]

I read an article on naming of passenger cars in Canada several years back.  Talk about the confusion that could occur.  Both CN and CP could have the same name car.  Lets say it's the Puddington.  And to top it off, Pullman cars that operated from the US to Canada could have the same name car.  Bet that system could drive the paper pushers crazy.

You can say that again... one example... "Mountain View"... CP had a ex NYC lightweight observation sleeper running the night train between Montreal and Toronto with that name... now; that train was for many years a pool train...with CN... who had a sleeper called Mountainview..... but it doesn't end there.... the PRR had a "Mountainview" as did the Great Northern, although not too mnay people would confuse a Budd lightweight sleeper observation for a GN Great Dome.....

Both CN and CP had used town and city names for cars; ergo, both had, let's say, a "Peterborough"..... and both had series names for rivers, lakes and the such.....

In fact; the only way to keep the names clear was by the cars themselves; CP's were clean, in good reapir and rarely left the tracks....CN...well, not so much !......................

[cv_acr]

Pud,

Absolutely assume.

I may have asked this before, but  what do recommend that us mere mortals could use a reference should we too want to convert a currently available N scale model into an accurate CPR passenger car?

eja

The Morning Sun CP Color Guide is one good book reference for CP rolling stock, freight & passenger.

[Bob Bufkin]

Believe the PRR obs Mountain View was a Pullman product.  Nowadays Amtrak has a Mountain View sleeper in service.  I've seen it on the Florida trains at Alexandria, Va./

[Puddington]

The Morning Sun CP Color Guide is one good book reference for CP rolling stock, freight & passenger.

It is; albeit it is better for head end and stainless equipment than for  hw sleepers, parlors and dining cars......still; I use it frequently

[cv_acr]

"Mountain View"... CP had a ex NYC lightweight observation sleeper

Stainless steel version of an NYC "Brook" series car. This particular car later became the Algoma Central's "Canyon View".

[Puddington]

The power is ready....... well; kinda ready.

I have to tip my engineers cap to Intermountain; the FP7's and F7B's they have released are not only fine running locomotives, they are a joy to work on. Most details that I would normally add are included; the paint is sharp and accurate (except for one FP7 unit where the road number shifted under the grabs... hmmm..) anyway; they are great to work with.

I have weathered one FP7 unit and two F7B's to head up the "Dominion". The weathering is light because most passenger units were well taken care of, but as I model a section of the CPR in the interior of BC the units would not have been cleaned up since (westbound) Calgary or Vancouver (eastbound) so they'd have road dust and dirt, plus the roofs were not as clean as the sides....

On the F7B's I've only added the unique Canandian Pacific "double stack" winterization hatches; don't ask me why they were so big; I don't know. On the FP7 I have added the hatch; a fireman and engineer to the cab, a three chime horn (It's not the right Nathan horn but will do until I find or build one), a front brake line and the front nose ladders. The model had free standing railings and nose door grabs but they didn't include the distinctive CPR nose ladders so I used 0.08 wire and added these.

What is STILL MISSING  are the icicle breakers on the FP7. These were, as the picture below shows a very obvious and unique spotting feature of the CPR F units but I haven't determined how to build them yet, in large part due to insufficent references. I have lots of pictures but none that show the exact shape well enough for me to model them. I am waiting for a friend who might have a drawing; then we'll tackle those, both side and read breakers. I am NOT including the mountain light on the roof because, well; I think it looks dumb..........

The colours shown in the first photo are more accurate than the following photo's due to the lighting I have over the layout... some day...........

Without further adeu, here's the head end power for the "Dominion"









Three power units and twenty cars, of which half are passenger revenue cars (with a few more to come) and the other express revenue cars, plus one open observation.... the "Dominion" is ready to earn her keep.

[Bob Bufkin]

Those winterlization hatches could almost serve as ice breakers.

[Puddington]

Those winterlization hatches could almost serve as ice breakers.

Seriously........ I have no idea why they need "condo's" for hatches.................

[mcjaco]

Pud,

As someone trying to figure out how to model the Soo Line's Laker, I always enjoy seeing your work.  There's so many similarities in the equipment (to a degree), it makes know that it can be done.  Barney & Smith cars be damned!