A taste ...

[James Costello]

Sweet  
like a Hershey chocolate bar.  Now, how about some sweet west coast 'PC&F' Ghirardelli chocolate goodness...

+1.

[wcfn100]

.  But I'm guessing that some of the X58 (no suffix) cars had their AAR designations changed over the years.  All of the 117813-118490 photos I've seen have their RBL designations, but none of them are in the early ESM releases.

I think I can use any insulated car with load restraint (something Dave V. apparently lacks  ) and be in the ball park of what I'm looking for.

http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_M_Z/P/images/124PRR,%2050'%20Plug%20Door%20Boxcar,%20112025.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=772458

Hopefully something like that will be a part of one of the production runs.

Jason

[sirenwerks]

(is the other GN?).

I think NP had a clone, or am I a loon?

[wcfn100]

I think NP had a clone, or am I a loon?

I know NP had some combination doors that look similar, but I don't know that they had the single flush with the outside posts.


Jason

[bbussey]

I think I can use any insulated car with load restraint (something Dave V. apparently lacks  ) and be in the ball park of what I'm looking for.

http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_M_Z/P/images/124PRR,%2050'%20Plug%20Door%20Boxcar,%20112025.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=772458

Hopefully something like that will be a part of one of the production runs.

ESM #222101 looks exactly like that, with the exception of the AAR designation, so you're fine.

[bbussey]

I think NP had a clone, or am I a loon?

I know NP had some combination doors that look similar, but I don't know that they had the single flush with the outside posts.

If anyone knows of any X58 clones or near-clones and has documentation, I'm more than willing to consider it.  It doesn't have to be an east coast road.  The prototypical accuracy is more important.

[wcfn100]

ESM #222101 looks exactly like that, with the exception of the AAR designation, so you're fine.

Okay, cool.  I don't know how it can be insulated with loading devices without being an RBL, but whatever, I'll take it!


Jason

[Dave V]

....load restraint (something Dave V. apparently lacks  ) and be in the ball park of what I'm looking for.

Jason

FTW. Bonus for saying "ball" in the same sentence!

Even more ironic that the thread has "taste" in the subject.  Clearly I was meant to stay out of it!

[bbussey]

Okay, cool.  I don't know how it can be insulated with loading devices without being an RBL, but whatever, I'll take it!

I'll verify that the AAR designation on the model is correct.  I reviewed everything last year ago multiple times but something still could have been missed.  The artwork was just submitted and the final tooling corrections remain to be done, so there still is plenty of time to correct artwork if necessary.

UPDATE - Just verified that the AAR designation for PRR 112116 was indeed XMP.  I looked up the definitions for RBL and XMP as they applied in the 1960s, and they certainly can be synonymous regarding the transportation of syrup and similar food stuffs:

RBL:  A bunkerless refrigerator car similar in design to an "RS" car with or without ventilating devices and with or without devices for attaching portable heaters. Constructed with a minimum of 3 in. of insulation in sides and ends and 3-1/2 in. in floor and roof.   Also equipped with adjustable loading or stowing devices.

XMP:  A house car similar in design to "XM" but specially equipped for specific commodity loading other than automobiles and parts and not suitable for miscellaneous commodity loading.  It is recommended that in each case where the designation "XMP" is used, a note be included in the Official Railway Equipment Register to show the particular kind of loading for which cars are equipped.

So I think you're prototypically covered with either an RBL or an XMP designated boxcar for that commodity.

[amato1969]

Oh man I gotta ditch my wife's iPad and get to the pics.  These are going to look great behind my atlas snowbirds!

[wazzou]

I think NP had a clone, or am I a loon?

Loon!

The NP had a series of exterior post boxcars with a single plug door but none that the X58 would resemble closely enough.

[wcfn100]

Loon!

The NP had a series of exterior post boxcars with a single plug door but none that the X58 would resemble closely enough.

What series is that?  I've only seen the DD and combo door on the 50'ers and I know they had a 40' car with the single plug and posts.


Jason

[wcfn100]

UPDATE - Just verified that the AAR designation for PRR 112116 was indeed XMP.  I looked up the definitions for RBL and XMP as they applied in the 1960s, and they certainly can be synonymous regarding the transportation of syrup and similar food stuffs:

Those cars aren't anything alike. 

I don't have enough PRR reference to figure out why this doesn't seem to add up.  I know what I need and hopefully it gets done.  If it says 'insulated' but has XMP as it's designation, I'll have to decide for myself if I think its correct (for what I need). It sure doesn't match what little info I have.

Maybe I can sneak a peek at the PRR color book at the LHS to see what you're talking about.


edit: I just wanted to add that I realize there were a lot of differences among cars and I don't envy your task to figure it all out, but I'm sure you will.

Jason

[bbussey]

Well, the 1960s definition for XMP did say equipped for commodity loading other than automobiles and auto parts, and that the car had to be noted in the ORER what commodity it was configured to carry.  I understand your point that 99.5% of the time, the commodity in question should be shipped in RBL-designated cars.  But it sure seems that, in this particular scenario, an insulated XMP-designated car could be assigned to food transportation.

Even given that, ESM #222101 is the only Pennsy "insulated" car scheduled currently, which is an oversight on my part.  With so many configurations and so many era variations, I tried to get everything represented early on.  While there are other insulated cars in the early releases in the form of LV, PC and CR,  I will push another Pennsy into the third release for those who would want to run more than one Pennsy "insulated" X58.  In fact, I'll use the car you referenced up-thread, PRR 112025.  The capy data are clear enough to block read under magnification, and the dimi data is the same for all X58 no-suffix cars, so the artwork won't take long to render.

[wazzou]

What series is that?  I've only seen the DD and combo door on the 50'ers and I know they had a 40' car with the single plug and posts.


Jason

I have a photograph, but I don't own the rights to it.  I can e-mail it to you if you want to PM me your e-mail address.