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Yeah, maybe, but considering the USA past record in matters like this I would not be optimistic one bit. Look at the steel industry's fight to keep foreign steel from being dumped illegally in this country. And by "being dumped" I mean sold for below the cost to produce it. With China holding so much of our debt I don't think the government would act real quickly.
On a more positive note....Maybe this is just the post holiday lul. With longer delays in production, they expect items announced now to not arrive until after the Holiday buying season so they, like most years, back off announcments around this time.Or..... With the N scale convention going on now and the NMRA show upcomming, and in Athearns neck of the woods so to say, they are saving up announcements for the show to make the show announcements stronger.
Hi shipsure,I enjoyed reading your post.by across the street I am assuming the tooling has moved to a new factory and is still in China as opposed to in Oregon USA?the other thing is how to identify a Kader made item?last and not least is simply a comment about the situationin that if it is not possible to get the tools back to the one who paid to create it, I am beginning to understand why the manufacturerswant to amortize that tooling cost in one run.sure explains a lot.ooof...not fair nor reasonable.victor
It's only "dumped" when people, certain people in the US that is, are against it. Otherwise under-pricing is a viable business practice to lessen a competitors market share or to gain market entry, where companies take an accepted loss in the hope of more business at normal prices in the future. It's done very regularly by US entities in federal contracting. The word "dumped" has an intentional negative implication, despite the fact that the product may be just as good or even better than product manufactured by US entities. We, the US, need to get over such issues. Fair trade and access to foreign markets work both ways, and if another country kicks our collective a$$ in one way or another it's time to cowboy up or shut up.
this is a quick court and civil law issue.the political side of US Government will not be involved with this.mostly It is going to be a question of the price of a lawyerversus the price of the items siezed....victor
Nope! Dumping means that a commodity is manufactured in one country then exported for sale in another country at a price below what it cost to produce the product with the difference being subsidized by the exporting country's government. Dumping is not a practice of individual companies. It is governmental foreign policy. It is not fair trade.
And the US is in no place to contest the use of subsidies. There's plenty of agriculture product exported that is subsidized in numerous direct and indirect ways. Airlines are subsidized and compete against foreign airlines for travel to and from the US. Etc. There's no difference whether the differential is made at the production stage or at the price point. And yes, dumping is a practice of individual companies, it's just not a term they use. It's often referred to in less ominous terms such as undercutting and predatory pricing. And let's not forget there are benefits to be had by such activities.For instance, the long-lived and oft-quoted 1999 dumping charge (contrary to popular belief, it is not an on-going event), a charge that has been significantly and rightly challenged by the WTO as ill-conceived, was only levied on hot rolled steel products - a basic ingredient in most processed steel products. So the steel being "dumped" was actually being consumed by other US steel manufacturers to be turned into American-made processed steel products, giving those other US companies higher profits through lower cost. Ergo, the argument, made by what was touted as the whole US steel manufacturer community was really only Nucor and US Steel; and their was no injury to the whole of the US steel product producing community, as one has been led to believe by the chicken little approach to spinning the event.Oh, and should we not forget how happy the US consumers were to get lower cost product? What about that benefit?
Inkaneer,I wonder of the posts you are reading and responding, 'cause they sure aren't mine....this has been a calm and thoughtful thread. be thoughtful.I will repeat this part...Any items or products in the usa are subject to US law.So while the chinese may 'keep' the tooling in china.the chinese can't import anything that uses the 'kept' tooling.(and expect to profit from the sale in any case)I was never talking about products outside of the USA.Any one who imports items made from 'kept' tooling will lose them.court order and probable destruction under counterfeiting lawswould be my guess.this next section is the part I thought went without needing to be written,No one with any business sense will take a chance on a complete loss like that.and do not mistake that it will happen here in the U.S.This next part may be helpful...This is the reason you do not see "new from Italy"the old atlas/Rivarossi light mike and pacific.If I understood what I read in the past, Atlas paid for the toolingand when Atlas tried to move them out of Italythe Italian Government declared the tooling to be 'works of art'and 'kept' them in Italy.( I also was told Atlas was not paid for the tooling)US law is pretty clear on this subject.Ownership in the US is: who paid for the tools.If you do not own the tools, you can't profit from themby selling items made from them here in the U.S.victor
Victor, I am not naive enough to think that if A and B occur then C will occur next. Maybe in a perfect world if one existed but not in this country. It is not as automatic as you suggest. No one in the government is watching what imports are made from stolen tooling. That is up to the individual companies to protect their interests. Only when companies bring a matter to the attention of a federal court and proves their contentions does government get involved. That takes time. That also takes money, a lot of money. But I doubt if the stolen tooling will ever be used. It has far better value as a hostage.
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