NE Caboose coming from Walthers???

[davefoxx]

If I remember my railroad history correctly, the N&W "blue" was inspired by a planned merger with the C&O that didn't occur, so the N&W subsequently returned to "black."

DFF

Nah. More Wabash than anything. The president of N&W at that time was Pevlar, and he came up from Wabash. The blue ended about the time he moved on.

Well, I know I read that somewhere, so for sh!ts and giggles, I googled, "C&O N&W merger."  Below is a quote I copied from this site: http://www.sd45.com/chessie/index.htm

"In August of 1965 the C&O/B&O intended to merge with the N&W and further renumberings ocurred in both railroads, as well as the adoption of blue and yellow by the N&W. When merger talks ended in 1971 the N&W changed its scheme to black and white with simple NW lettering. When the C&O/B&O began merger procedings in 1971, the Reading petitioned to be included, but was unsuccessful. The WM which was already owned by the B&O was included. In 1972 the Chessie System paint scheme with the Chessie cat logo was adopted. The WM did not begin consolidation into the Chessie System until 1973 and continued to operate it's own sales department even after much of its mainline was considered redundant and abandoned. The WM continued to use the red, white, and black paint scheme until 1975 when a chop nosed GP9 was renumbered and painted in Chessie colors."  (Emphasis added.)

Dave

[DaveB]

Were the P&WV NE cabooses repainted into N&W blue right after the merger, or what happened?  The same question would also apply for the NKP NE6's that ended up in N&W blue.

[Mark5]

Were the P&WV NE cabooses repainted into N&W blue right after the merger, or what happened? 

No. They were painted in N&Ws caboose scheme at that time, which was white lettering on red (similar to this exNKP cab http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nw/nw557728.jpg). Blue was adopted in 1966.

[Mark5]

Below is a quote I copied from this site: http://www.sd45.com/chessie/index.htm

"In August of 1965 the C&O/B&O intended to merge with the N&W and further re-numberings ocurred in both railroads, as well as the adoption of blue and yellow by the N&W.

N&W adopted blue in 1966 (January IIRC). Incorrect connecting of the dots. A few re-numberings did occur in anticipation of a merger, but this was in 1970 or so, not 1965.

When merger talks ended in 1971 the N&W changed its scheme to black and white with simple NW lettering.

Wrong again! N&W switched back to black in 1970 (yellow on black). In 1971, N&W adopted the white on black "NW" scheme.

In summary, a collection of incorrect interpretations. ;D

Mark

[FrankCampagna]

Yup, the Lifelike ones were cheaper. But, if I recall, they got out of the train business. Could it be they couldn't make money at those prices?  : I can remember when Micro-trains were cars were $3.00. Don't expect their new releases will be at that price. Or even double.

Frank

[u18b]

The old body shell was great.  Everything else was terrible.

The smoke jack looked stupid.  The underframe was WAAAAYYYYYY too high because the car had to make room underneath for pizza cutters.

If they made a new underframe,
used new/better trucks
did not used those old massive pizza cutters
did not use Rapido couplers
came up with a better smoke jack like a MicroTrains smoke Jack
added window glass
Did a decent job of paint schemes.

Then this would be an AWESOME caboose for $25.

[Bruce Bird]

I'm with Lee on this one- wait and see.  I've got almost 20 of these puppies running around in 'correct' custom WM paint.  If it is the old shell with windows, I hope they sell the window sets separately.

And the blue N&W most definitely came from the Wabash. A N&W NE in blue resides 20 minutes from me at the Monticello Railway Museum.  It still has P&WV trucks.

Bruce from Decatur- heart of the Wabash.

[Robbman]

The N&W/C&O 'merger' was in the works immediately after the 1964 NKP/WAB/etc merger.  It was conditionally approved by the ICC, to the point where C&O stock was to be traded in for N&W stock, with B&O being absorbed at a later date, and WM coming into the fold.  Many other Northeast roads were to join the Dereco subsidiary (CNJ for one).  When PC went bankrupt, it put an end to the merger, as the ICC halted all merger petitions and was going to review any prior ones.

N&Ws blue is more the doing of Pevler than anything else (while similar, N&W blue and Enchanment blue were different paint codes)... it is an interesting coincidence for sure.  In my opinion, it was the doing of both... i.e, Pevler wanted blue, the forthcoming merger gave him ammo to do it.

[Nato]

   Where are my Milwaukee Rib Side Cabeese.I don't want a JNJ resin one.I have enough of the old LL NE cars, the LV Paint Job is pretty good, had to get an L&NE to go with my LL FA Diesels.                           Nate Goodman (Nato).

[Packer]

Knowing Walthers (in HO, they may or may nottry the same in N), it'll probably be the same tooling as the other stuff, just with better paint and a few upgrades.

Lots of the new RTR stuff walthers has in HO is a re-hash of their older kits. Tank cars, Airslides, Autoracks, Hoppers, etc. They just slap on some metal wheels, knuckle couplers, new paint, and add grabs irons that need to be installed; while raising the price by about 200-400%. Some of them have the grabs installed already.

OT: They also have 2 PS2-CD 4427s, the P2K version and the upgraded version from one of their kits (at least I think it is, it could be the P2K re-released as a walthers). The detail looks to be the same, but they added 5 bucks to the total...

P2K: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-54678
WKW: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-41272

[sizemore]

I reread the description, they state "bentendorf swing motion trucks and accumate couplers". If they didn't retool for trucks too I wonder if they'll use the Atlas trucks (LINK), it doesn't say "...trucks with accumates". I have a feeling with the heat from the lastest releases from Atlas, we'll get body mounted accumates.

The S.

[Brakie]

At $24.98 a throw, they better have some DAMN NICE upgrades.  Like, accurate paint colors, window glass, lighted markers, and hot coffee on the stove...

Not adjusting for inflation, that's about a 400% increase over the old price...

Lee

Lee,In the 9 1/2 years I worked as a brakeman we never made coffee on the stove because 90% of the time the stove didn't work..

I won't be buying any of those hash over LL cars since Athearn and Atlas has better at the same price..

[wm3798]

Yes, but regrettably, not the same car...

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Lee's post reminds me, one of the nice points about modeling a conglomerate road (like CR) is that you don't have to swallow it when that "signature" item comes out.

We have a lot more "signature" items. Sure, I'd LIKE a nicer N4A, but I already have enough in the fleet.

However, if you model the WM, or the L&NE, or the Reading, you better HOPE these are nice, cause they're all your road had.

[davefoxx]

Lee's post reminds me, one of the nice points about modeling a conglomerate road (like CR) is that you don't have to swallow it when that "signature" item comes out.

We have a lot more "signature" items. Sure, I'd LIKE a nicer N4A, but I already have enough in the fleet.

However, if you model the WM, or the L&NE, or the Reading, you better HOPE these are nice, cause they're all your road had.

Atlas saved us C&O guys when it produced the Magor caboose in N scale.  For years, we had just one Extended Vision Caboose (also produced by Atlas) available that you might be able to find on the web, but the Magor is the signature C&O caboose. 

DFF