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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1500 on: April 01, 2014, 07:35:01 AM »
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Dave this pic reminded me of your overhead Birdseye shot:



It SCREAMS HCD.

This is why I hate reading through threads sometimes; an awesome idea like this almost always rears its head and causes untold havoc on current plans! This would make a phenomenal HCD!!! What do you think Mr Smith?

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1501 on: April 01, 2014, 07:36:09 AM »
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How would you fit all that on a door?

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1502 on: April 01, 2014, 07:50:19 AM »
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Really is a shame you can't/won't keep Enola. Though you may not see it, it really is a cool yard even within the parameters of your build. Put it in a corner cover with a blanket and forget about until the urge comes to attach it to the layout  :D  Your total layout build reminds me of how Dave Popp is building his little empire; one section at a time. And as Lee said, the engine terminal rocked and the whole yard scene was great for photo ops. Plus you need a place to store all your cars right??

You might not feel that way after trying to back a 20-car coal train into the staging yard.  Yes, it looks nice, but it's essentially an oversized diorama.  As a yard it could have been designed so much better if I knew what I was doing back then.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1503 on: April 01, 2014, 08:33:18 AM »
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How would you fit all that on a door?

You have the 180 degree curve over the bridge at one end, the track going off to the right on the far side of the river isn't used.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1504 on: April 01, 2014, 09:09:46 AM »
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The bridge wye is very cool, but not on the PRR Middle Division, so...

Although if I ever did stray from the Middle Division I'd head east under the catenary.  Nothing quite as sexy as the PRR flyover at Whitford.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1505 on: April 01, 2014, 09:44:07 AM »
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This is why I hate reading through threads sometimes; an awesome idea like this almost always rears its head and causes untold havoc on current plans! This would make a phenomenal HCD!!! What do you think Mr Smith?

I think it's already being discussed in another thread.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1506 on: April 01, 2014, 12:45:56 PM »
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You might not feel that way after trying to back a 20-car coal train into the staging yard.  Yes, it looks nice, but it's essentially an oversized diorama.  As a yard it could have been designed so much better if I knew what I was doing back then.

Ok What would you have done differently to make it better? I know you mentioned a 2nd runaround next to the ladder previously but anything else?

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1507 on: April 01, 2014, 01:40:35 PM »
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I think it's already being discussed in another thread.

Thanks Mr. Smith, I was not aware there was a separate thread.  I added this independently of Mr. Bufkin's thread... 

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1508 on: April 01, 2014, 08:31:28 PM »
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Ok What would you have done differently to make it better? I know you mentioned a 2nd runaround next to the ladder previously but anything else?

Honestly?  The real Enola wasn't a stub-ended yard.  Neither should mine be...

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1509 on: April 01, 2014, 09:55:12 PM »
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Honestly?  The real Enola wasn't a stub-ended yard.  Neither should mine be...

Ahh but the unfortunate fact of model railroad life is that no matter the scale, we must always make compromise, must always deal with selective compression. Unless one has mega space which very few people have.....

You were able to capture the essence of Enola and pull it off quite convincingly. It actually would make a great stand alone switching layout too.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1510 on: April 01, 2014, 10:06:01 PM »
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Honestly?  The real Enola wasn't a stub-ended yard.  Neither should mine be...

But... for much of it's recent life, it somewhat acted like it.

After most freight shifted from the Pennsy side to the Reading side, most of the action came through the west end.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1511 on: April 02, 2014, 08:16:45 AM »
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It actually would make a great stand alone switching layout too.

I'm not convinced that it would.  Especially without a proper switching lead.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1512 on: April 02, 2014, 10:07:28 AM »
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Although if I ever did stray from the Middle Division I'd head east under the catenary.

Oh hell, yeah!  Even Lee can't despise that type of cat.

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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1513 on: April 02, 2014, 11:21:56 AM »
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The only good cat I can think of has 30,000 volts pumping through it... :trollface:
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Re: PRR/Conrail Juniata Division Engineering Report
« Reply #1514 on: April 02, 2014, 12:03:46 PM »
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I'm not convinced that it would.  Especially without a proper switching lead.

Ok I agree you would need a switching lead with a yard like Enola however some yards don’t have a lead. I would also throw in a runaround to bypass the ladder.
That being said do this experiment.
Try a session focusing just on Enola and use the track coming out of Enola into Lewistown as the switching lead.
Bring in a freight on the middle track. Uncouple the engines and run them to the servicing track.
Bring out the yard power and start breaking down the train. Send the cabin to the cabin track.
After classifying all the cars. Start making up a local on the track closet to the yard.
Go grab a cabin (maybe dig one out other than the one that just came in)
Start building the train and avoid cherry picking. Block the cars like the crews would.
Now go get the power. You may have to do some hostling depending on what is next in the assignment roster.
While you are waiting for the crew, have another local come in on the middle track.
Send the new train out to go about its business.
Start the process over with the local that just arrived.
At this point I’ll wager you have just spend a solid hour or so doing all the above.

Remember that you are only focused on Enola. If it were stand alone, instead of the rest of the layout, you would have a staging plank in its place.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised.  :)