GEVO "Mystery Ad" Manufactuuer Outed

[TiVoPrince]

Besides it won't be too long before somebody starts looking at Gensets.

Nooooooooooooo!
gensets (from a reputable company) could possibly move me fom a nice comfortable 1984 to the distant future 2009.  Not cetain I would be up to modeling those flying cars from "The Jetson's"...

[tom mann]

I would also like to see Gensets. 

[Puddington]

As I said over on the Atlas forum, none of my FVM cars came with the Kool-Aid packet.

It's funny, people pay me to rip their ideas to shreds, maybe I should find a way to put my talent to work in this industry too...

You're a professional movie critic.......?   Wow, Roger Ebert IS a model railroader............. ;D

[GaryHinshaw]

So, is it true that the FVM GEVO will have separate grabs, or was that one of the rumors?  I can't remember now...

I will buy at least one of these GEVOs, and if Kato makes one, I will buy at least one of them too, but:

EMD SD40
 EMD SD40-2 Mid Production
 EMD SD70ACe
 EMD SD70M
 EMD SD70MAC
 EMD SD80MAC
 EMD SD90/43MAC
 GE AC4400CW
 GE C44-9W "Dash 9"
 --> Coming Soon                         
 GE P42 "Genesis"
 USRA 2-8-2 Heavy Mikado

If you look at the rest of the list, it's not strictly alphabetical:

ALCo PA/PB-1
Budd Rail Diesel Cars
EMD E8/9A for SP/PRR Name Trains
EMD E9A and E9B
EMD F3A and F3B
EMD F7A and F7B
EMD F40PH
GG1
GS-4
EMD NW2
EMD SD40
EMD SD40-2 Mid Production
EMD SD70ACe
EMD SD70M
EMD SD70MAC
EMD SD80MAC
EMD SD90/43MAC
GE AC4400CW
GE C44-9W "Dash 9"
 --> Coming Soon
GE P42 "Genesis"
USRA 2-8-2 Heavy Mikado

Since the GG1 is listed amid the EMD lineup, I predict that "Coming Soon" will be a Milwaukee Rd. Little Joe.   

[ljudice]

Gary,

There's no need to worry about this anymore! Kato will NEVER do a GEVO - at least not for many, many years. So please, please put these confusing thoughts out of your head right now...

Don't be mislead by those who say the GEVO is a natural for Kato to do. Sure they made models of every single new locomotive ordered by Union Pacific and BNSF. But rest assured that the C44-9W, AC4400CW, AC4400CTE, SD70M, SD70MAC, SD90MAC and SD70ACE were the exception.  There's a good explanation for these models anyway - something about the Japanese taking vacations in the desert I think.

The FVM model will be so much better anyway - why would Kato even think they could compete with it? Kato never has more than one announced product in the pipeline anyway - ever in history - or at least not anymore   don't you know that?

Kato is such a kind hearted bunch they wouldn't want to compete with a new manufacturer anyway. Giving a newcomer a chance to get a foothold in their bread and butter business during a recession may not be good business practice, but it's nice and in this industry everyone plays nice.  Kato's NEVER, EVER in history done a model someone else did anyway (except the ones they did do, but please don't bring those up).

And there's another reason Kato is not going to touch the GEVO. They don't do a lot of New England or Southern prototypes - and that's hurt a lot of people's feelings.  And their warehouse is starting to empty out. So they need to crank up production on some obscure roadnames to fill those warehouses for another 10-15 years. That BNSF and UP stuff moves so quickly their shipping department deserves a rest now and then anyway.

Remember that FVM will surely deliver on time - meeting everyone's expectations. Even the expectations we don't know we have, because they just will. I mean how could a nice guy like Matt who's been in the industry a long time possibly not deliver what is promised at a trade show? Did you know there were 10 pre-production samples there?  10 of them!! Isn't that like a world record or something?  I think it is!

And by the way, I'm a little concerned about anyone who doubts that a new company isn't going to build a winning product and deliver it on time.

If you want proof, think about some recent new models with ground breaking features - like the PCM E8/E9, Intermountain Tunnel Motors and the whole Tower 55 product line. And what about MTH's HO SD70ACE's.  Yep - they were announced before the Kato SD70ACE and, true, they're not out yet, but that's HO, which makes it different.

Don't forget Kato has had it's delivery problems as well. Those SD70ACE's for example - first they said April and they didn't hit the stores until May!

Please, please relax, take a calm pill, like I did, and start a new thread about ride height (MTL products not FVM products though!!!).

Think deep calming thoughts! OK?

[Puddington]

That was a great post - very funny !!!! ;D....it was sarcastic...right...?????? ;D

[sirenwerks]

that would be the logical next engine in their line of modern engines.

Huh? That logic could have easily been used to deduce that the FP7 would have been a logical progression. After all, they did do an F3 and F7, right? Where's the progression there? Now they just keep repainting them, and that's not very often too.

I think Pud's right. The naysayers should put it back in their pants and hold the "I told you so"s until AFTER the fact. Rocks, glass houses, and all things considered.

[sirenwerks]

There's no need to worry about this anymore! Kato will NEVER do a GEVO - at least not for many, many years.

LOL, Kato can barely do what it's done. Look how IM swooped them on F unit paint schemes. Sure, IM quality may not be that great, but since there are a lot of folks out there who don't care too much about that, just pretty colors, Kato's been foiled now.

BTW, ljudice, eat one for team and buy these two dog GP38-2s I have from Kato.

[soo]

name me another company that has done road specific box cars??? Dern sure aint the best company in the world Kato,,,the more and more I think about it,,, I wish kato never came along.

  Maybe I am in a foul mood,,, or maybe people are not giving an american owned company a chance,,instead they want their money converted to yen.

wyt

[tom mann]

Folks,  Matt seems like a nice enough guy to deserve a chance.  Let's at least save the foul mood until after he releases the GEVOs, because they actually could be great models!

[asarge]

Don't be mislead by those who say the GEVO is a natural for Kato to do. Sure they made models of every single new locomotive ordered by Union Pacific and BNSF. But rest assured that the C44-9W, AC4400CW, AC4400CTE, SD70M, SD70MAC, SD90MAC and SD70ACE were the exception.  There's a good explanation for these models anyway - something about the Japanese taking vacations in the desert I think.

The FVM model will be so much better anyway - why would Kato even think they could compete with it? Kato never has more than one announced product in the pipeline anyway - ever in history - or at least not anymore   don't you know that?

Kato is such a kind hearted bunch they wouldn't want to compete with a new manufacturer anyway. Giving a newcomer a chance to get a foothold in their bread and butter business during a recession may not be good business practice, but it's nice and in this industry everyone plays nice.  Kato's NEVER, EVER in history done a model someone else did anyway (except the ones they did do, but please don't bring those up).

And there's another reason Kato is not going to touch the GEVO. They don't do a lot of New England or Southern prototypes - and that's hurt a lot of people's feelings.  And their warehouse is starting to empty out. So they need to crank up production on some obscure roadnames to fill those warehouses for another 10-15 years. That BNSF and UP stuff moves so quickly their shipping department deserves a rest now and then anyway.

Remember that FVM will surely deliver on time - meeting everyone's expectations. Even the expectations we don't know we have, because they just will. I mean how could a nice guy like Matt who's been in the industry a long time possibly not deliver what is promised at a trade show? Did you know there were 10 pre-production samples there?  10 of them!! Isn't that like a world record or something?  I think it is!

And by the way, I'm a little concerned about anyone who doubts that a new company isn't going to build a winning product and deliver it on time.

If you want proof, think about some recent new models with ground breaking features - like the PCM E8/E9, Intermountain Tunnel Motors and the whole Tower 55 product line. And what about MTH's HO SD70ACE's.  Yep - they were announced before the Kato SD70ACE and, true, they're not out yet, but that's HO, which makes it different.

Don't forget Kato has had it's delivery problems as well. Those SD70ACE's for example - first they said April and they didn't hit the stores until May!

Please, please relax, take a calm pill, like I did, and start a new thread about ride height (MTL products not FVM products though!!!).

Think deep calming thoughts! OK?

WwwaaaaHHhh!!! WaaaH!! WaaaH!

Last November I think it was Kato had a poster that had two, well three new projects they were doing in N. The Broadway Limited with a GG1, and a Baggage car with new tooling. Ok so they were announced at the same time. They also had the SD70ACE announced, but not at the same time the BL was. More than one project going on BUT NOT announced concurrently.

No FVM isn't the "perfect" car in most peoples books. NOTHING is ever 100% perfect to EVERYBODY. FVM doesn;t have all the seperately applied details that make a contest quality model. But he sells an awful lot of them because they are pretty accurate, look decent and price well enough to fit most peoples budget. Compromise where you have to, but everybody has too make a profit......they have to eat too.

I'll make a wager that the FVM GEVO's will be a little late...say no more than 3 months. I'll bet that it's not the perfect engine, there may be some cast on parts that you and some others will wish were seperately applied. I'll bet many won't like the coupling distance because they think every manufacture should spend the resources to make the corect distance by their standards. I'd just about bet the farm that ypu will be one of the first to point all that out. I'll betcha any amount that he sells more GEVO's in more roadnames than Kato ever expected and Kato won't worry about it because they'll have something else coming that they and you will be excited about.

Put your monopoly money on the table pal and let's have some fun.

[GaryHinshaw]

I heard that Kato has already done the GEVO, and they're just holding on the release date.

Ok, ok.  For the record, 90% of my loco fleet is Kato and I have no complaints with them (though I haven't started detailing any of them yet...)  But I'll keep poking until they release a BNSF-specific Dash-9.  (Just like I kept poking MT about the TTX runner packs - and it eventually worked - way to go Joe!)

As far as FVM goes, I like the compromises Matt made with the box cars: they're affordable and they add variety to the fleet.  Locos are in a different category, so I'll wait and see, but I'm hopeful.  Now about those free-standing grabs...?

-Gary

P.S. Don't forget FVM wheels! One of the best new N products in the last 5 years.

[Mark5]

I heard that Kato has already done the GEVO, and they're just holding on the release date.

Ok, ok.  For the record, 90% of my loco fleet is Kato and I have no complaints with them (though I haven't started detailing any of them yet...)  But I'll keep poking until they release a BNSF-specific Dash-9.

Prolly about the time they do correct NS Dash-9s (in the year 2525 ...)

[John]

Prolly about the time they do correct NS Dash-9s (in the year 2525 ...)

"In the year 2525, If man is still alive, If woman can survive, They may find...Kato does a Dash 9".

[oakcreekco]

I'm a pretty opened mined guy, and wish for the most success on any new venture, by any company, large or small.

Like many, I feel that I've been "let down" several times, and by several manufacterers, by having product not meet the "hype". I really beleive that many in our hobby feel this way, and aren't as "optimistic" on new releases, new models, and new companies.

I want this to be a "big hit", just like I wanted the IM tunnel motors to be a "big hit". Only the manufacturer can deliver the goods, based on the "hype/PR" that was provided.

For me, I'm more of a "runner", so the "operating qualities" have to be top notch, along with dependability. I can put up with a few "details" that aren't right, and I've got a "to do" list that keeps getting longer. But any loco must have a good basic drive, one that "runs as good as a Kato" is the age old, but true statement, that I hold everything else to.

This will be a welcomed model, and hopefully executed well both in mechanism/body/paint and graphics.

When they come out, I'm sure that they'll be some "blasting" of executed details, but my first concern will be the drive.

Hell, I know the faults of my Kato NS (-9's wanna be's), and I can live with it because they are some of the best runners out there, and they look "fine for now".

Bottom line, if the "perception" is delevered, and it matches the MSRP, we'll have another good modern loco.

Patience, and time will tell.