N Scale Big Boy?

[John]

I'm with David. I want workhorses.

Thats why we need Atlas to produce the C40-8 and the C40-8Ws .. definate workhorses ..

[ljudice]

I'm with David. I want workhorses.

Thats why we need Atlas to produce the C40-8 and the C40-8Ws .. definate workhorses ..

Exactly!

[wcfn100]

I was looking at the description and found this curious:

"Undecorated versions include all parts for that prototype."


Jason

[3rdrail]

I was looking at the description and found this curious:

"Undecorated versions include all parts for that prototype."


Jason

Despite there being only 25 built, there are two versions. The visible difference is in the aftercooler pipes for the train air on the front platform. One version has them sticking up there, the other doesn't. UP fans can be more specific if they'd chime in.

[up1950s]

I was looking at the description and found this curious:

"Undecorated versions include all parts for that prototype."


Jason

Despite there being only 25 built, there are two versions. The visible difference is in the aftercooler pipes for the train air on the front platform. One version has them sticking up there, the other doesn't. UP fans can be more specific if they'd chime in.

Eventually '48-'52 all coolers on the early versions were relocated to behind the pilot shield , to be like the later versions because of freezing problems . . Athearn has 3 early versions with coolers ( though I cannot find that same ad showing the undec with coolers anymore ) and one late (4024) . After 1950 chain driven lubricators were added to both early and late classes . It is that diagonal cover approx 3 foot long behind this guys head that is the chain lubricator .
http://www.solocellthai.com/tfs/rkarn/train/Steamtown_trip_0919/P9190204-102-c.JPG

3rd edit . The tender hatches were somewhat higher on the later class Big Boys .

[Nato]

   If you are a hard core UP Fanzee then a 4-12-2 Union Pacific Type would be the ultimate iconaclastic UP steamer and high on the want lists followed by maybe rhe 4-10-2 type which SP invented,but UP also had. We will have an Southern Pacific AC12 Cab Forward locomotive in N from Intermountain maybe by years end or about the same time as the new Big One (see Japanese anime Galaxy Railways) Boy ,but there have been some complaints about IM's HO loco which I hope they address in N. Union Pacific 4-8-4 Northern FEF2 and FEF3 locomotives will be coming from Athearn as HO locos were just announced and N locos can share the same tenders as the Challengers and Big Boy's. Yes it would be nice if PCM really got off their B*t and ramped up production. Then I would seriously buy a PRR M1a Mountain locomotive. Hey I had a nice toy one from Banner Plastics available through dime stores as a kid growing up in the late 40's early 50's (now dating my self). Now my wallet is emptied for most of the rest of next year as Chuck already has my pre-order for two 0-8-0 locos, NP & Undec and now two Big Boys ,early and late.            Nate Goodman (Nato). Salt Lake, Utah. There have been 2 Brass Big Boys and one Plastic so far, not a huge number.

[GGW]

. . . . . . . . . . other than brass would be the first Big Boy that could run on scale rails . Long over do considering the following the loco has . . . . . . . . . .

You know , I can never understand the hatred folks have when a new loco is produced . I would be happy for any new loco , even if it wasn't UP . I would vote for my choice , and express it in this thread , but refrain from raining on anybody else's parade , especially in the sophomoric way you did GGW . And while alternate wants are being expressed , a UP FEF-3 4-8-4 or SP AC-12 would have been wanted by me as well . I don't model the SP but it is an icon that deserves to be made and I would buy that in a flash .

No one has ever accused me of 'working too hard' and you are the first, to the best of my knowledge, to ever describe me as 'sophomoric' - I have, upon rare occasions, been 'over due' however.

Let me recognize one thing in regards to the substance of this issue: Athearn's purported/announced release of a Big Boy - and, for that matter, Intermountain's purported/announced release of Sufferin' Pacific's Cab-Forwards. Rather than being disparaging of this/these release/releases I am hopeful that, they will, in reality, come to pass if, when all is said and done, for no other reason than it might mean that they will then go away;  every time someone initiates one of those 'What- locomotive-would-you-most-like-to-see-the- manufacturers-produce' topic - which go on and on and on ad nauseum - the Big Boy and Cab-Forward always creep up to the head of the list.

I suppose I experience certain problems rationalizing - or at least understanding - just why non-Onion Specific fans find such fascination with this particular locomotive especially since it has been somewhat deflated over the past few years; Baldwin Locomotive Company always insisted that the DM&IR M3/M4 engine was bigger/heavier than the Big Boy and that claim appears to have some substance; and it has recently been established that Lima Locomotive Works faked the records on C&O's 2-6-6-6 Alleghenys and these were actually the heaviest locomotives ever constructed.  It appears as if Onion Specific's Big Boys remain superlative in only one area: they were the biggest in terms of linear measurements. A lot of the Big Boy mystique centers around their unique Whyte System wheel arrangement - the 4-8-8-4 - but this wheel arrangement is no more unique, I contend, than Chesapeake and Ohio's equally famous Allegheny and these 2-6-6-6s - and Virginian's small fleet - were produced in nearly three times the quantity.

I know that we are never going to get past the Big Boy/Cab-Forwards and I encourage the manufacturers to bring them on so we can promptly drown in them; then, and only then perhaps, can we move on to other, more serious, - please! that is a tongue-in-cheek statement - products: M3/M4s; EM-1s; H8s; M-137/M-151s; L-131/L-132s; H-7/H-7-As and a virtual plethora of others. I know that N&Ws Y-6s are out of production, Rivarossi/Rapido having bought the farm, but I would be extremely happy to see them reintroduced by whoever now owns the dies.

I fail to understand your statement:

I can never understand the hatred folks have when a new loco is produced.

To whom are you referring, may I ask.  I know that to proclaim such a thing is absolute heresy but I don't want a Big Boy - nor a Cab-Forward for that matter either although a statement in that regard is not quite as heretical - and all I said was that I would remain in the wings with wm3798 while the manufacturers shake out what they are going to do even if that turns out to be nothing which is pretty much their record of achievement of late.

Am I free to mutter a "Ho-hum!" at this time?

[Mark5]

I know that N&Ws Y-6s are out of production, Rivarossi/Rapido having bought the farm, but I would be extremely happy to see them reintroduced by whoever now owns the dies.

Rivarossi also did the Big Boy and Challenger - so why not a new Y6b by someone?

[wes_sutton]

Rivarossi also did the Big Boy and Challenger - so why not a new Y6b by someone?

Now that's something I'd pay good money for!

Wes

[up1950s]

I know that N&Ws Y-6s are out of production, Rivarossi/Rapido having bought the farm, but I would be extremely happy to see them reintroduced by whoever now owns the dies.

Rivarossi also did the Big Boy and Challenger - so why not a new Y6b by someone?

I am surprised you didn't say class A , or wasn't that special ?

[Bob Bufkin]

I would like a K2a (N&W, not PRR).  These went into Hagerstown, MD and traded trains with the PRR.  Streamlined like the J's.

[tokenbrit]

.. so why not a new Y6b by someone?

I am surprised you didn't say class A...

Like this?
;D

[Ryan87]

A Quick question to the UP 'spurts,

Did all the Big Boys have Box Pox drivers? (in other words, will Athearn's?)

If so I'll have to break the steam barrier and buy a couple to kitbash into Missabe M4's!

Ryan

[up1950s]

A Quick question to the UP 'spurts,

Did all the Big Boys have Box Pox drivers? (in other words, will Athearn's?)

If so I'll have to break the steam barrier and buy a couple to kitbash into Missabe M4's!

Ryan

Yes and yes .

[Nato]

    The Locomotive that I would really like tos see is a Southern Pacific (Pathetic) 4-4-2 Atlantic type loco with a vandy tender. Rivarossi manufactured one in HO in the early 1960's and with it's high drivres and SP boiler and cab when I saw it in an early catalog I thought it looked pretty cool like a Pacific customized to a shorter leingth. To change the subject just a bit there was a recient release in expensive brass of DMIR Yellowstone locomotives, these came with a brass model of a Iron Range wood caboose. Now I already cannot rember the Importers name. Nate Goodman (Nato). "what the world needs is a good Atlantic not a Ten Wheeler."