Whoa, MTL working on a passenger car!

[Mark5]

Hmm... MT passenger cars.. Maybe by 2029 I'll be able to run a complete MT passenger train.  :

I'd bet against that ...

[Wlal13again]

What year did they go out of revenue service?

[Sokramiketes]

What year did they go out of revenue service?

One could find them right up to the start of Amtrak, though not as common anymore.  Many would have been rebuilt into coaches or baggage cars by then as well.

Gregg's ride down in Mexico on one may have been post Amtrak.  So it really depends on the paint scheme and what you are trying to model.

[Bob Bufkin]

These cars were also converted and used in mow/work train service for quirte a few years.

[brokemoto]

I would have thought that a coach would sell better, as well, but the point that each road had its own ideas regarding the design of coaches is unassailable.  There were USRA designs for locomotives, freight cars and cabooses (although the last never went into production by USRA order), but, if there were ever any USRA designs for passenger equipment, I have never seen nor heard of them.

I do hope that, in addition to issuing them as sleepers,  MT will consider issuing these in the rebuilt configurations as long distance coaches (which the B&O had) and baggage cars.   There were even some Pullman combines, but I do not know if they looked anything like this one (with a baggage door, that is).

I am glad to hear this.  I do hope that it will not scare WKW away from its rumoured release of N scale HWs.  MT really poses no competitive threat to them, since, as some have already commented, it will take until 2013 to get an eight car passenger train in one road.  Further, I suspect that WKW will be able to beat MT's price.  Still, if it comes in a generic Pullman, I will buy one.  If it comes as a B&O long distance coach, I will buy even more.

[Wlal13again]

What year did they go out of revenue service?

One could find them right up to the start of Amtrak, though not as common anymore.  Many would have been rebuilt into coaches or baggage cars by then as well.

Gregg's ride down in Mexico on one may have been post Amtrak.  So it really depends on the paint scheme and what you are trying to model.

Thanks Mike. I bought a LL DL&W E unit at Chantilly in  2004 for next to nothing. It runs great, but I have nothing to put behind it. Wondering if this Pullman would work..

[tom mann]

Joe is a really great guy:  he understands the need to communicate with the forums.  Everyone appreciates that, and MT has nothing to lose and a lot to gain by him doing so.

Plus, his "soap masking" idea is genius.

Soap Masking idea  ????? How do you control it and what type of soap ?

Rub bar soap where you don't want paint.  Paint over the entire area, and after the paint dries wash the model to reveal the color underneath the soap. 

[Allentown Hump]

Joe is a really great guy:  he understands the need to communicate with the forums.  Everyone appreciates that, and MT has nothing to lose and a lot to gain by him doing so.

Plus, his "soap masking" idea is genius.

Soap Masking idea  ????? How do you control it and what type of soap ?

Rub bar soap where you don't want paint.  Paint over the entire area, and after the paint dries wash the model to reveal the color underneath the soap. 

That must be fun to do on a N-scale rib side hopper car...

[up1950s]

Joe is a really great guy:  he understands the need to communicate with the forums.  Everyone appreciates that, and MT has nothing to lose and a lot to gain by him doing so.

Plus, his "soap masking" idea is genius.

Soap Masking idea  ????? How do you control it and what type of soap ?

Rub bar soap where you don't want paint.  Paint over the entire area, and after the paint dries wash the model to reveal the color underneath the soap. 

That must be fun to do on a N-scale rib side hopper car...

Sounds like a method more suited to applying a camo scheme to a plane than anything loco or rolling stock . Perhaps similar to " liquid mask it " . I'll STICK to my tape .

[wes_sutton]

Hopefully they'll bring them out in Runner-Packs

Wes

[wcfn100]

After reading all the threads about this announcement, I still don't get why they'd do a sleeper.  I get the fact that a lot of railroads used this plan and this allows for multiple correct roadnames.  But there could be a small flaw in that logic;

Is MT going to want to tool up for any other cars knowing that they won't sell as well? (based on the logic that this popular car will sell well, hence worth the investment)


The only way out of that trap is to do incorrect roadnames which, of coarse, negates the reasoning to do the sleeper.


btw, how many Pullman different plans were there for the 12-1 layout?  Turns out the CGW had a 12-1 that they ended up using as an extra coach (without any modification) in it's later years but it does not have the same window arrangement as the 3410 (I'm not sure how the 3410A is different).


Jason

[Nato]

   Think of the Rivarossi Heavyweight pullman, which is a 12-1 car but with pre airconditioning,and of course lakcing details like steps on the platforms. Yes the Branchline car in the Posting Photo would be alot like the announced model. I have mixed feelings about individual cars and complete sets. On the one hand complete sets let you get an entire train quicker, but is more expense for the manufacturer to tool up and produce say six or eight car types . On the otherhand I have always had gripes with companies like Kato that will only sell sets of cars and no singles. While I feel like other postees here that a plain coach or chair car might have equally universal appeal I would not turn down a pullman if that is to be offered. Years ago in the 1970's when MT then Kadee began asking for photographs of prototype cars I sent tons of pictures of Union Pacific Dome cars which I had photographed here at their depot parked for use on special trains. Of course I recieved a nice reply back letting me know passenger cars were not part of their current plans. Later on, much later then we got atleast one of the cars (coach)from Kato.     Nate Goodman  (Nato).

[Sokramiketes]

btw, how many Pullman different plans were there for the 12-1 layout?  Turns out the CGW had a 12-1 that they ended up using as an extra coach (without any modification) in it's later years but it does not have the same window arrangement as the 3410 (I'm not sure how the 3410A is different).


Jason

Have a photo or scan handy of the CGW 12-1 in question? 

[wcfn100]

Have a photo or scan handy of the CGW 12-1 in question?

I've got nothing to post but the Color Guide has a photo on page 19.  It's #296 or what used to be called the Wayzata.  This car certainly could have been altered, especially being a sleeper to Rochester.


Jason

[Sokramiketes]

Wayzata was originally a plan 3410 12-1 sleeper.  I'll have to pull out the book to see what got changed.